I've reviewed some of your posts before replying. Your first post complained about "social justice mobs" and suggested Native Americans were split on the logo. Social justice mobs have remained a major theme in your posts. You had a strange post about Irish history. A "racism is subjective" post. Frankly, you haven't much opined on the logo except to say something like 'even if I did agree ... the social justice warriors ruined it.' And then these recent posts where you suggested that current perception doesn't matter, suggesting that the logo wasn't meant to be racist at some point. I was going to go into this more but it's really just about beating a dead horse now and it's time for that to stop. The logo was racist. The team moved too slowly to get rid of it. It was designed at its inception to belittle a group of people who lacked power in our society. It was a disgrace. Arguing against any of that is simply factually (and morally) wrong. Jon Taylor wrote a pretty good piece on this in SI. I'll quote a little of his article but the entire thing is worth a read. Emphasis added "For the last seven decades, Wahoo’s leering grin has stared out at fans from the caps, jerseys and shirts of both the Indians and their fans. He has changed somewhat over time—if you can believe it, the original incarnation of Wahoo was even more grotesque— .... There are two camps of thought on Wahoo. One is that the logo is a racist caricature that demeans an entire group of people who have been systematically oppressed for 400 years. The other consists of folks who insist that the logo isn’t racist because, well, they don’t think it is. But there is no argument here. Wahoo is racist, full stop. Wahoo represents what fans see as the comfortable, quiet past—one where offensive depictions of an entire race were looked upon as good clean fun. To defend Wahoo reveals how bone deep the prejudice against Native Americans is in this country. Supporting a caricature so hopelessly outdated proves how the average American either doesn’t understand or doesn’t care about a historically marginalized populace. It’s simple, willful ignorance to claim Wahoo isn’t racist, but the logo still garners plenty of support among Indians fans." Any arguments against removing Wahoo are not valid. There is no "oh, it wasn't racist when he was first drawn" (yes, he was). "It wasn't intended to be racist." (yes, it was). "It's not racist, it's colorful history or tradition." (No, it's always been demeaning). You shouldn't now make statements like "yes, I know the logo was racist but that's not what I was talking about. I'm not complaining about that, glad it's gone. I'm just complaining about those damn social justice warriors changing the perception/context etc."