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Gotta stick with Mejia though. He's part of the future. Really surprised Belisle or Breslow didn't get cut or come down with an injury after Sunday. But that's for a different discussion.

Surprised and initially disappointed in the pick we of Lewis. I really wanted Weight or Gore if you want the high school route. Nut I freely admit I don't know anything compared to the guys in charge. That being said, Lewis was considered a top 4-5 talent in this draft. A draft with no clear cut #1 player. By all reports he is a great athlete with lots of skill and potential. Probably the best overall HS player in the draft. Can we really be upset if the Twins braintrust felt he was the best overall player available AND he may save money to make a nice move or two at 35 and/or 37? I wanted a ready made SP as much as anyone. But isn't the mantra also "take the best player available"?

Going to repeat a couple things I've said before and echo a couple thoughts from others here, but I really want to weight in on this topic again after reading and reflecting more. The position players on this team are a young nucleus playing well and still growing and developing and learning to win together. The team still needs help on the mound and we all know this. But unless someone out there...Astros, Yankees, etc...have a significant injury in a season in which they truly think they are a contender, we won't get the overpay in prospects we need to make the trade work. In other words, a top young SP ready to come up and contribute. So we trade away a leader and quality pitcher with life left in his arm when we need pitching and effectively punt on the season. This just doesn't make sense to me in the short term or the long term. This off season, the Twins absolutely have the resources to sign a quality FA SP to add to the staff. If there truly isn't someone interested available, they may have to go the trade route and offer up some quality young prospects, possibly a current rostered player. I would prefer the FA route as it allows the system to maintain as many good young players as possible for promotion and later trades of such, or the ML player they might replace. Even if said Santana suddenly regressed to the status of solid, quality #3 starter, combined with said FA and Berrios, we have a nice threesome to start our rotation with. Mejia, hopefully, continues to develop and gives us a 4th reliable, and young, starter. Who is the 5th starter? I don't know. Hughes? Slegers? Gibson? A FA reclamation project? Gonsalves? But I'd sure rather worry about a 5th starter than 2 or 3 open spots. Yes, the pen also needs help. But it's completely reasonable, IMO, that just a little better luck on the health front could see 2 or 3 young arms getting their shot the second half of this season. Combine those with what is already there, possibly a better Pressly, maybe a quality FA, and a much strongef pen could easily be in place. I just think this competitive team is starting to come together. Unless there is an overpay, I just feel moving Santana sets the team back.

Gonsalves may have struggled somewhat in this one, but that is going to happen. What always has impressed me about him as he seems to have the ability to adjust, whether it be game by game, or level by level. He's not just a thrower. He knows how to pitch, and that can't be understated as an ability or a reflection of his future. Flat out Curtiss needs to be in Rochester. And hopefully, in Minnesota before the season ends. Great news for Rodriguez!

Love these write ups! Takes this awesome website even another notch, and I wasn't even sure that was possible. Even when I catch all or most of a game, the following wrap up puts icing on the game. 100% agree on keeping Santana. He's good and this team needs pitching. It doesn't hurt having him to learn from as well, whether it be Berrios, Mejia or those yet to come. It could be argued Santana has never pitched better in his career, overall, since coming to the Twins. And he sure appears to have life left. But we want to trade away our best pitcher for prospects and not win? I just don't see Santana, as much as I love him, bringing back another high quality arm unless some team is desperate to fulfill their opportunity this season.

Missed all the game except for updates as I was at the Omaha Stormchasers game. Live baseball! But what a game I Missed! Right now, have to say, "trade Santana?" Screw that idea! We need this guy the next 2 years and just continue to build and keep him around!

THIS!

I've been...sort of...softly and lazily...campaigning for "So Long Sano" as a nickname due to his enormous shots.

While I know absolutely nothing...an important preface...i find it interesting that Gore isn't talked about the same way Greene is, or even higher. He's put up fantastic numbers has decent size and growth potential, throws in the 90's and it SEEMS from reports that his secondary stuff is more advanced than Greene. Is Greene really rated so much higher because he hits 100 on the gun and is also a quality SS prospect? That's not a knock on Greene, but he's only going to be able to concentrate on one spot or the other, and he has to do more than through 100. I just find it....interesting.

Exactly. This team needs a FA SP in the off season. They have the resources to do so, and the appeal of a beautiful ballpark and an exciting array of young talent to be enticing. And the FA route keeps prospects in the system. Prospects to promote, trade later, or allow others to be replaced and traded. Said FA, Santana, Berrios and Mejia offer, potentially, a pretty solid group to work with. A flier on someone, Hughes, Mayes, Slegers, Gonsalves could all be in the mix for the 5th spot. Of course, the pen needs help as well. But better health for prospects and one quality FA reliever would go a long, long way. But this article is about Santana and the rotation.

My guess? He'd go to Ft Myers for introduction and a tuneup and could see AA for a couple of starts before finishing his year in the pen due to innings limits.

Only way I think a realistic trade, i.e. one that actually brings in a top-almost ready or ready arm, is if one of the top contending teams has a major injury and would be willing to part with a top young arm and a secondary offering to help them maximize their window. Otherwise, the Twins acquire a couple solid players a couple years away and have let go their best pitcher for a team in need of pitching. The Twins have real money to spend next off season in a quality FA SP. Doesn't have to be a groundbreaking $30M deal for a Strasburger. They are under the ML average for payroll, ,less than last season's payroll, and have a good deal of money coming off, or available to be let loose, after this season. What if the still very good and cost controlled quasi-#1/#2 Santana slips to a solid #3 next year in his last contractual season? You've still gained another quality arm to go with Berrios, Santana and probably Mejia. Between Hughes, (still under contract), arriving prospects, a possible shift of Duffey, and an inexpensive 1 year deal or two for a bounce back guy or two, you have options for that 5th starter spot.

Wish I knew what to make of Jorge long term. For the most part, he seems to be a model of consistency the past couple of season's and has made steady progress. Reports of his stuff are solid, Managers and coaches say positive things, as do teammates. But with the exception of a few games here and there, his SO numbers are so-so. Is this youth and growth still taking place? You don't have to be a dominate K machine to be a quality starter, but SO absolutely help. Is he a potentially solid back end starter? Or is he a long/swing man?

I'm still going to go with Wright, though I can easily and clearly see reasons for the other 4 guys that seem to almost be universally mentioned for the top 5. I just don't see a negative with him. He had a rough-ish start to this season, discovered a mechanical flaw, corrected it, and has been sailing ever since. The track record is there. The fastball and secondary pitches are there. While it's still all speculation, he appears to be a #3 SP at worst, and a potential #2 and perhaps a #1 in time. (Though that is almost impossible to predict and can be said about others). The fact that he could be up in 2 years doesn't hurt.

I find Greene to be very intriguing, and I'd be happy if they draftnhim and root like crazy for him. But I don't understand the abbreviated season this year. And while I've certainly read the positives about all around talent and athleticism, I'm looking at him as a starting pitcher and not an athlete. I just haven't seen/read where he has a consistent, plus and potentially better breaking ball, much less a third offering with any kind of potential. If I could feel better about those secondary offerings, and their potential, I'd be more on board.

It seems to me that Wright is the obvious choice. While nothing is guaranteed, he fits all the criteria necessary. He has the build, the heat, the secondary offerings, the experience and track record and he's close to the majors for a team needing starting pitching with a high floor and a high ceiling. High potential and relatively "safe" at the same time. What's not to like here? To say he would be a mistake because 5 years from now another player could be an All Star and potential HOF performer is a bit silly to me. You could say that every draft concerning half the first players in the 1st round, or the top 10 at least. I just don't think you can properly quantify that kind of speculation.

Couple of points: Rotation: Unless the Twins just fall out of it, Santana is needed and I'd look forward to keeping him next season as well. I just don't believe the wheels are ready to fall off yet. You have real money to spend next off season on one high quality FA. Berrios and Mejia are stuck with for the rest of the season. They are young, talented, and part of today and tomorrow. For now, Gibson and Hughes are your 5th SP options. You could,,,and the Twins have previously...do worse. By the second half, you could legitimately look to Slegers or Gonsalvez. It was even reported the Twins would consider Gonsalvez straight from AA if he looked ready. Keep Romero starting, for goodness sake! (Though IP could see him finish in a pen). Bullpen: The more immediate concern, obviously. IMO only, May wasn't written off, but it was a "show me" month for a few guys. Which is why a few guys are no longer with the team. June is the month when changes start being made. And while they may be great or likeable changes, we ARE seeing roster moves and rolling changes. Wimmers? Good milb season last season, OK September, solid ST..."show me or you're gone." We ALL want Hilgenberger, Reed, Chargois, Melotakis, Curtiss, Jay and Rosario. But look at reality for a moment and put yourself in the soft comfy chairs of Falvey and Levine. Chargois, Reed and Jay have been hurt. Melotakis had a great April but has slumped a bit lately. Hilgenberger was hurt at the end of last season and is at AAA for the first time. Curtiss and Rosario are at AA for the first time. Again, IMO, the FO is looking to mid season to A) Get a couple guys healthy and pitching well for a possible ML promotion, and look at the AS guys ready for a AAA promotion which could lead to a ML promotion at some point. In the meantime, as they are doing now, with the exception of Rosario, they are rolling through arms for auditions to see who can help today, or tomorrow, and who needs to go. It may not be happening exactly the way we want, or as quickly as we want, but you can see the wheels turning if you look. The Rosario promotion alone shows they are not afraid, just, biding their time and looking at all factors and all possibilities.

Sorry...nice thoughts, but lost me on Romero. There are some guys in the lower minors that are tantalizing. But in the upper levels, there is Gonsalvez and Romero who offer real hope for the rotation in the near future. If you are worried about Romero's IP, then he can finish his season in a milb pen. This team is still in rebuild mode, though the end is coming near. But that doesn't mean you have to give up on this season. Honestly, Busentiz and Hilgenberger deserve a look over Wimmers. The Rosario move is very aggressive, but I applaud it. He's very talented, on a roll, and is on the 40 man. Clear the chaffe! Fill the 40 man with the prospects. Roll them through the 25 man, much as has been done lately, and hold auditions. In another month, Chargois, Reed and Jay may all be ready for their auditions. Can't disagree on Hughes, but healthy, might he not be a better option than Gibson? Right now, I like Duffey and Kintzler where they are. It works and makes sense. For now.

Agree on Gordon. Need his potential and infield depth/options as we're uncertain as to Dozier's long term fit with the team. But then who? I'd almost say Chargois and Jay? Then Wade maybe as another piece if the OF puzzle?

Just thinking about 2018 and beyond, if you were to look at the top Twins minor leaguers, and you had to make a list of the most important guys to have good season's, and move up, not necessarily directly to the Twins, but move up....how would that list look? I would almost say Romero and Gonsalves would be your top two. Would this be a good thread idea?

Like most of us, I am so far short of being an expert that even having an opinion is almost silly. But from all the various reports, I still lean toward Wright. Great arm, some top of the rotation potential (even if never an ACE, but how do ever accurately predict that?) He comes from a highly successful program, has a solid track record, and it doesn't hurt that he fills a glaring need and may be close. That being said, drafting top athletes who have played SS is never a bad thing. As Seth mentioned, those kinds of guys can end up at 2B or 3B as well. Maybe Lewis becomes an outstanding 3B with wheels and legitimate 20HR power who allows Sano to move to 1B in 3-5 years as he begins to approach 30?

Dave Van Horn is definitely someone to take seriously. He did an outstanding job here at Nebraska and has continued to excel at Arkansas.

Could you offer up just sort of an overview of his stuff, mechanics, what he's working hardest on, etc. I confess, I haven't picked up this year's handbook yet. Embarrassed to admit so, but there it is. I know this kid has to be at least 3 if not 4 or 5 years away, but I am sure curious about the various reports we hear from time to time.

Jorge is a guy that interests me. He seems to throw pretty hard and have at least solid secondary stuff. He seems to have good control and has been a model of consistency the past couple of years. I've even read reports from teammates and the such that he's got solid/good stuff. So why aren't his SO numbers better?

Agree with JLease, the injuries are just so disappointing! Not saying they would immediately fix things, but Burdi, Chargois, Reed and Jay all hurt to begin the season or mow out. What a difference just a couple of these could make the second half with Melotakis, Rosario and Hilgenberger potentially.