winning brings in fans, possibly hope. They won't win in 2018 with Colon getting starts this year, and Garver not getting any time here this year. If you think fans are looking at this team, and are excited about next year, we disagree. I'm cool with that. Right now, they are both not looking to the future, and not putting butts in seats. I'd suggest trying something different than old, bad, players that aren't part of future. They might turn out to be more ready for next year than we think. They might not, but unless you think it will ruin their development, there is currently no reason not to move on, imo. also, imo, the average fan has no idea/care what that first sentence means, in terms of "what did they do to get better", I'd guess they don't view him as a new player this year. that's a guess.