Heres how I would define it. Once dad knows assuming he's not for the abortion it's word that I've been encouraged not to use, assuming he's fine with the abortion once any grandparent or any aunt uncle that the parent has a real family relationship with it's word I've been encouraged not to use assuming they don't all support the decision to abort. Come third trimester none of that matters, if you then have an abortion it's just wrong. By the way just in case people are confused I respect the views of those that disagree with me, which is why for the most part I try to stay away from the discussion of abortion.