Otto von Ballpark
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Correct. They could actually send Gonsalves back down to the minors for up to 19 days too and still not burn an option year. It takes 20+ days on optional assignment to count as an option year. So they could call him up now, send him back August 13, and then recall him Sept. 1, or something like that. (Or send him back for Chattanooga's playoffs, or whatever.) -
Sure, Slegers can be considered a prospect. But he's a Justin Haley type prospect, which doesn't necessarily mean much to the Twins, unfortunately.
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For those that might be confused by the previous comments, the original prize was just 15 copies of OOTP to be awarded one per day, the contest start date was 7/13, and the only link given in the article returned an error page. Looks like that has all been cleared up now! Thanks John!
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Haley can come up right away. He doesn't have to be activated until Tuesday/Wednesday, but he is available immediately, and he hasn't pitched since last Wednesday so he is rested.
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Not really. Tepesch was already off the 40 man roster, and he was actually still on the AAA DL, I think.
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AL Central 2018 -- Is the door open?
Otto von Ballpark replied to Riverbrian's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
You're probably right. They may be stubborn about it, though, especially if they can re-sign one of them, and maybe hang around .500? Although they also may have Vargas to replace, and their bullpen advantage has already vanished... -
AL Central 2018 -- Is the door open?
Otto von Ballpark replied to Riverbrian's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
The Royals should have some money to re-sign someone, right? Hosmer, Cain, and Moustakas aren't playing for free right now. And not all of their pending FA are good -- losing Alcides Escobar would probably be addition by subtraction. They should be able to stay in the hunt next year... -
How is Garcia below average? Burdi has thrown 100 MPH with big potential for 3 years in pro ball already, and it has produced only a handful of effective relief innings in the minors. With the surgery, he's probably the 20th or worse Twins prospect these days. Also, the Cubs weren't contending when they made that trade in 2014. Theo has never punted an active pennant race. And I don't know why people keep saying 2019 is the target at any cost. Sano is a star now, Berrios looks good now... I hope the team overall gets better by 2019, but team building is not a binary thing. We're not at zero in 2017. And a single guy like Burdi doesn't move us appreciably close to a one in 2019.
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Berardino's original source had the Braves picking up some of the salary too, subject to what players they settled on: http://www.twincities.com/2017/07/20/report-twins-nearing-deal-for-braves-lefty-jaime-garcia/
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I never said Garcia would get a "great return" -- just that it was incorrect to take his return from last winter and divide by two. And actually the fact that Garcia faded late last year is probably encouraging, given his results in 2017 -- 2016 was his first full year in awhile. Consistent struggles would have suggested he was a worse pitcher. He is probably better positioned now to stay effective later into this season.
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Yes, 90 days. So half a season on the DL would be ideal.
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Only Happ among that group was traded in the previous offseason to have a similar basis of comparison as Garcia now. So you'd also have to consider how market factors may have been different in 2015 than in 2017. And Happ was performing worse than Garcia and the others too (82 ERA+), so the fact that his return was lower was not surprising. And I think it was shown around here recently that the Leake trade wasn't a bad return. Duvall is a corner slugger type, but he has accumulated 5 bWAR and counting for 2016-2017. The other guy was the Giants #3 prospect per Sickels that year, B/B+ grade. The prospects in the Kazmir trade were also reasonably well-considered at the time too. Nottingham was a catcher having a breakout season, and was even BP's #66 overall prospect that next offseason, and was eventually used by the A's to acquire Khris Davis.
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I wonder if some of this could be jockeying by the Twins to scare teams from picking Burdi in Rule 5. Or the Braves scaring teams picking ahead of them so they can pick Burdi. Or it could simply suggest his value is still high enough that he's an obvious 40-man addition. That's what I thought before, because he would make an ideal Rule 5 selection.
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It certainly appears that the Twins are hoping to keep the Chattanooga powerhouse intact through their playoffs, rather than promote...
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Perhaps -- Sickels had him 11th, at C+/B-, but that was before TJ. I'd be pretty surprised if the Braves valued him higher than that, but backed away based on medicals. My gut feeling says the Braves were indeed concerned enough about the medicals to back away from the deal... but the Twins had already set up the contraints/parameters of said deal.
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NL league ERA is 4.34 this year. Starter ERA is 4.46. A 3.86 ERA, in 7 innings, against the best offense in the NL (by wRC+), is pretty good. And it wasn't necessarily luck, as he also had a 2.44 FIP. Only took 91 pitches to get through 7 too, he could have possibly gone 8+ innings under different circumstances.
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I won't quibble about these guys, but I do want to say this isn't how valuation works. Garcia was guaranteed more money last winter, was not as removed from his injuries, was coming off a suspect performance trend in 2016 -- and the Braves (and other teams that may have pursued him last winter) had less probability of contention in 2017 than the Twins and other teams have today. It is quite likely that Garcia should return more value in trade now than he did last winter.
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Straightforward, but also seems incomplete. Seth had Burdi as our #19 prospect, and that was before the draft. He was known to have missed most of 2016 with a bone bruise, and then had TJ surgery in May. I could see him being discussed for this trade, but unlikely that his medicals alone would torpedo it. Was he the only top ~30 prospect the Twins were willing to consider dealing? Did the Twins hope to get some salary covered, or get an interesting minor leaguer back in return?
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Before TJ stuff, Burdi had an upper arm bone bruise: http://www.twincities.com/2017/01/31/minnesota-twins-nick-burdi-changes-arm-slot-in-hopes-of-staying-healthy/
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Lavelle said "Indications are Twins will take on most of the salary." Wolfson said "Told as talks stand now, #MNTwins will very likely assume the remaining $4.7M on Garcia's contract." So there was a little wiggle room. Seems like there might be more to this than just the medicals of a Burdi level prospect...
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I think some fairly distant relation is claimed, in that case.
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So were the Braves eating some money before the medicals too?
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I wonder what the medicals could be, he just had the surgery 2 months ago...
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Tigers 6, Twins 3: Bad Santana
Otto von Ballpark replied to Tom Froemming's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Breslow gave up an insurance run too. Really inexplicable that he is back/still on this team...- 12 replies
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