TheLeviathan
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Diamond and Worley are one year removed from being MORE than capable. Shoulder injuries are what hurt them in part. Seems like a poor reason to cut bait.
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Should we cut bait on Hicks too? Basing roster decisions on one season is not wise, especially when Worley, Deduno, Diamond, and Gibson all hd injury issues. Were they bad last year? Absolutely, they've also been MUCH better than Correia and Pelfrey the year prior. We shouldn't be tossing away young players with upside for deadend 33 year olds. You should also notice my beef isn't with Pelfrey (there is upside there), it's with the scholarship to Correia that I object. Find a hole for him to fall into and the situation is much better.
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Louis C.K. Says......not even close.
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Gibson has to earn his way in but Pelfrey doesn't? For a rebuilding team that logic is incredibly misguided. At some point all the seasoning in the world at AAA isn't helpful. Gibson needs to pitch in the big leagues. And we disagree about one "legit" pitcher. Worley, Deduno, and Diamond have all had better success in the major leagues in the last two years than Pelfrey or Correia - both who are basically going to be scholarshipped into the rotation at the beginning of the year. That's the problem. (And the irony that someone would suggest I'm campaigning for scholarships. I'm in the exact opposite boat. We need to be about auditions, not placeholders) If Worley and and Diamond had to earn their way in and, if they failed, go to AAA - I would have zero problem with that. Zero. But that's not the situation and I don't want to lose either of them for nothing in the name of Kevin freakin Correia.
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No, I'm campaigning for them to not waste time with 33 year old starters with no upside at the expense of 25 year old ones with significant upside. Let the four of them battle over two spots, not one.
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At this point the Twins have signed four starters and have one spot for Deduno, Diamond, Worley, and Gibson. Only Gibson has options. I'd wager he could throw 6 no hitters in ST and he still would be sent down. And I'm not sure why the first half of your post was campaigning to mitigate his relevance. Gibson has been this teams best SP prospect for years and we don't know his ceiling yet. Coming off of Tommy John surgery takes time but he needs to show it in the majors, not AAA.
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The logic that one season (in which all four of the guys in question were hurt or coming off being hurt) is reason to toss them aside is making sweeping conclusions based on small sample sizes. That was precisely the assumption being made and the one I used hyperbole to lampoon. By that logic, you must HATE Pelfrey. Because not only did he not earn his check last year, he damn sure didn't earn another one. Gibson, for the very same reasons as Pelfrey, has potential to be a benefit two years removed from TJ. But pitching at AAA, at the age of nearly 27, is quickly moving him into the "after-thought" pile. We need him to be more than that. And, as I said, if we were pushing him to AAA for a good pitcher - fine by me. But we're pushing him to AAA for a old, "meh" player with no upside. That's my issue with this. Pushing him down for Hughes, Nolasco, and even Pelfrey I got. Correia? Sorry, but I don't like that.
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In time for who? Gibson needs to pitch in the big leagues and it shouldn't be by yo-yo to AAA for injuries. And, if that was necessary, it damn sure shouldn't be for the likes of Correia.
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By that logic we should just cut Hicks and give Pinto a 7 year deal worth tens of millions. You preach (I'll use that word, though I have another in mind) all the time about the future. Being impatient with four guys (all who could legitimately site injuries as a cause for their issues last year - which means, lots of upside if healthy) would be fine if we were passing them over for, say, Grienke or even Nolasco. But for Correia? That's short-sighted and not good for the long-term. The Twins needed to, and did, make the present better. But they can't do to Gibson what they've done to Parmelee and others. We need to know what, if any, role Gibson plays in the future. We won't find that out with him stuck in AAA.
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The problem is that, as of now, the Twins have pushed Gibson to AAA and at least one, maybe two, of Worley, Diamond, and Deduno to the brink of DFA. This situation would feel better if they could find a hole for Correia to fall into.
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Right....which is how they punish most violations of unwritten rules, no? relaying it to hitters is most certainly taboo. Your argument as phrased here would work to dismiss any unwritten rule. For example - it's ok to bunt during a no-hitter and it's ok for the other team to make you pay for it. It's the rules of retribution that decide what is a violation. If you get thrown at for relaying signs to a hitter - then it's an unwritten rule violation.
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Article: Twins Trade Doumit to Braves
TheLeviathan replied to Parker Hageman's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
No one wants him gone, just pointing out part of his game that's subpar. In the other thread no one is giving up on him either, you just took another poster 100% on his word. I'd suggest the source there wasn't intending to relay an honest interpretation of the remarks. -
True Nick and I credit the Twins on Baker, but the mentality was wrong. Not to mention I think we all agree swapping Correia and Pelfreys contracts last year would be beneficial now. The twins have prized toughness and durability over talent for awhile but that trend seems to be changing for the better.
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I would feel way better if Correia was gone but right now, just due to options, Gibson gets squeezed. I like Gibson, so I don't like that. I want to see 25+ big league starts this year.
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facts, schmacts. Also, at this point you could argue the Twins have done more to give up on Gibson for next year than anything anyone has said on the board. Part of why I don't like Pelfrey is that his signing almost certainly squeezes Gibson out of a regular spot. He's a guy we need to find out about in 2014 not bounce him around.
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Article: Twins Trade Doumit to Braves
TheLeviathan replied to Parker Hageman's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Linking to these scouting reports would better facilitate conversation and validate your position. how often do scouts go watch a guy? Assessing defensive value takes a lot of data points which requires far more observation than swing or pitch mechanics because of the lack of chances. We who suffered through watching this year saw much more than many scouts. Less expertise to be sure, but far more relevant data. hopefully he gets better, but his instincts, range, and athleticism were all awful last year. -
Truebut I know during broadcasts that he has mentioned throwing at runners at second base if he thinks they are relaying. If it wasn't taboo to relay to a hitter the STL coach wouldn't have qualified his answer three times. heres more: http://thebaseballcodes.com/category/sign-stealing/
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I did, did you read the interview with the St. Louis coach? He specifically made a point to mention (several times) that he doesn't relay the signs he steals to the hitters. Blyleven has talked about this on the air as well. A few samples: I steal signs every day as a coach. But one thing I don’t do, I don’t tell the hitters. That’s part of the game. But I would never tell a hitter what’s coming. It’s respect. To tell a hitter what’s coming, that’s never been my style. …” And here's Blyleven: http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2009/09/15/3273359-blyleven-the-dos-and-donts-of-stealing-signs. It's ok if you catch the guy tipping his pitches, but you're not supposed to relay signs to a hitter about what pitch they're getting and hitters aren't supposed to peek from the box. To me, it boils down to how overly sensitive a player is to a stupid code. It's yet another muddy set of "rules".
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My understanding is that stealing signs and relaying them to the hitters (which is what this thread is about) is frowned upon by the "unwritten rules". Frankly, I hope someday there is a manager or a star player that just says "screw it" to all that nonsense and flaunts the hell out of that mentality. There is nothing about the game of baseball I hate more than the unwritten rules nonsense.
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Article: Pitching Prospect Profile: Sean Gilmartin
TheLeviathan replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Maybe it's just me, but I don't put a lot of stock into scouting reports about defense. I don't think most scouts see players enough to make a really accurate assessment. I could be wrong about this, but it seems a lot of players come with a degree of hype that is rarely deserved. It makes sense too, if you are watching a pitchers mechanics, seeing them 2 or 3 times gives you dozens to hundreds of data points. Seeing a hitter for 2-3 games gives you dozens of data points about their swing mechanics. But how many data points do you get on how a guy moves to his left at SS. Or how he reads lines drives in the RF gap? Delmon Young and many, many others have shown us that guys can come with a lot of undue hype just because hype is the way scouts and websites sell themselves. I'm more convinced by what I see from them than what I hear about them. And what I saw from Arcia was not good. -
I don't think your reply looked at the conversation in context. Nick posted that his thoughts at the time of the signing were that Pelfrey was being picked over Baker due to durability. Oxtung emphasized the idea of evaluating the deal at the time it was signed. I'd have to agree with him, Pelfrey had his surgery later and had never been as good a pitcher as Baker. So it's ONLY with hindsight that you can say the Twins got a slightly better deal. His point, and I agree with it, is that the Twins should've been targeting upside and not durability.
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Article: Pitching Prospect Profile: Sean Gilmartin
TheLeviathan replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Yeah, I don't see any reasonable basis for that ranking. The guy has to show he can throw again. Shoulder injuries are tricky and can be devastating. If he had come back and got some of that velocity back late last year, that would make some sense. But a mid 80's velocity fastball with poor control is the last we saw of him. That should matter a lot. All that said, what makes this a smart move is that if the shoulder injury is fully healed, we've got a solid arm that we acquired at only the price of an aging, redundant player. We can all hope for that outcome, but right now he's still damaged goods. -
My understanding was that this was a trend even pre-injury with the Mets or was this a new phenomenon?
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Article: Twins Trade Doumit to Braves
TheLeviathan replied to Parker Hageman's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
And this makes him a good defender....how? Arcia had all the look of a future DH when he was in the field last year. I hope for a dramatic improvement, but what we saw was awful. -
His career splits still indicate a guy that could hit lefties very well. You couple that with Moustakas and you might have a nice little fit. All they did was swap similar players with different positions. If you want to hop aboard the "Bash Dayton Moore" train, that left the Omar Infante station a few days ago. But this ain't it.
