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  1. TheLeviathan
    There is an earlier post in this thread, liked by the author of this article and 6 others, that states the team's talent is worthy of upper 70 wins and is "believed in" across the industry. The post clearly implies the new FO is right to also believe in this talent. Similar sentiments have been less directly stated, but of similar tone. So, not imagined at all. Again, please read the context of the discussion.
  2. TheLeviathan
    I would suggest you more thoroughly read what you quoted and responded too. Not to mention the context.
  3. TheLeviathan
    More of this please.
  4. TheLeviathan
    I too hope the decision making process appears decisively different as the season progresses. So far we haven't had much tangible evidence to suggest it is.
  5. TheLeviathan
    I think Mike's question is a valid one to consider. If you are patting the new FO on the back for their keen insight in how good the team was in spite of it's record, aren't you implying that the last FO had built a good team? I'm sure people will add some nuance to their distinctions, but I see where he's getting that flavor. It's been all over this thread. It's hard to swallow the idea of someone saying "Well of course things weren't working! Look at the situation they were fired in! But thank goodness we have these guys here to leave things largely the same because our situation is actually pretty good!" I sort of "huh?" at that too.
  6. TheLeviathan
    Also, it's worth pointing out, that if your basis for this entire thread is that so many players underperformed relative to expectations, there is the answer that perhaps this year they will perform to those expectation. However, there is yet another alternative that we haven't explored: Maybe our expectations are too high/not relevant in the first place. That's the fear of any rebuilding club and it's not like we're immune to it.
  7. TheLeviathan
    Perhaps, but even if they pitch well Abad doesn't get you a big return. Those other guys might.
  8. TheLeviathan
    I said "higher", to denote that you have more chance of gaining some upside from them than, say, Boone Logan. You have a better chance to buy relatively low (with cash) and possibly sell high.
  9. TheLeviathan
    Three of the higher upside guys (Feliz, Storen, and Holland) signed with teams that lost 89, 91, and 87 games. I don't buy that we had no chance to sign those guys. Given them more money and a shot at the closer spot.
  10. TheLeviathan
    For better or worse the new FO has hitched their wagon to this idea. From their Twinsfest comments they think they have a pretty good team here that vastly underperformed. That's a dicey belief to hitch your wagon to. It may end up defining their stay here one way or the other. I, for one, would've liked to see more done this offseason to add assets to the bullpen. I think that could loom large.
  11. TheLeviathan
    Boy, those tweets. They were meant to be upbeat and optimistic and instead I couldn't help but wonder what they're thinking.
  12. TheLeviathan
    Congrats to them both!
  13. TheLeviathan
    Right now i'd only consider it for Kepler and Sano but it would depend on the details. I don't mind the thinking at all if the details make sense. But front loading is a pretty rare thing, especially if you're extending a young player. It's good in theory, but it just doesn't happen.
  14. TheLeviathan
    I think getting lost in this conversation a bit is Tom's original point: how do you put a championship caliber pitching staff around Sano/Buxton/Kepler if indeed they develop into a championship caliber offense? When do you reach into your prospects if you aren't willing to deal vets? And that window might be coming faster than people realize.
  15. TheLeviathan
    That's my concern too. If we pass on risky moves because of value, we're basically relying on internal improvements and draftees to save us. It's hard to see a staff of this age (save May and Berrios) making sizable strides and draftees take time. So that means we're burning through time we have this young offensive core together. I loved the Castro signing, but I really hope we see a plan forming soon. This feels so much like Ryan's regime is still in charge that it's frustrating.
  16. TheLeviathan
    I'm with you on that Brock, I was out saying how bad this offseason looked for talent acquisition months ago. But because of that I'd really like to be a fly on the wall of our FO. I wonder what was out there on Santana and Dozier and I worry we may have passed on moves I'd have jumped all over. This will be an interesting offseason to look back on when we know more about our new head honchos.
  17. TheLeviathan
    Well we're sorting of running out of time this offseason and the clock is ticking on team control for all these young hitters we all love. At some point, risks will have to be taken.
  18. TheLeviathan
    Perhaps, but so far we don't have immediate or long-term solutions that have been addressed. We basically are rolling with the same crew. At some point I'd like some immediate and long-term solutions attempted. Sooner rather than later.
  19. TheLeviathan
    In fairness, we're on year 5? 10? of this argument in different iterations: "If we only don't give starts to X players, we'll be so much better!" How's that been working out?
  20. TheLeviathan
    I'm not advocating that DeLeon "fixes" it. Just that he is the kind of upside gamble we have to take along with drafting guys. And I'm especially keen on this gamble given the risks I see with retaining Dozier. But ultimately DeLeon could bust, he's a unique prospect that has a long list of pros and a long list of cons. He's going to be interesting to follow. If he does turn into a James Shields type...then turning this down will have been a huge mistake. If he busts, walking away was wise. Time will tell.
  21. TheLeviathan
    I guess we'll find out if that's true about Deleon or not soon enough. What it comes down to for me is the knowledge that whatever avenue we choose (trade, FA, draft) to improve our pitching, it comes with significant risk of losing value at the outset to gamble on upside. So i'm not going to get hung up on that.
  22. TheLeviathan
    But those improvements are dicey at best and have extremely limited upside both next year and going forward. I mean, I appreciate the plan, but I'd be aiming for much better than this. This, at best, is hoping to be "not terrible" maybe "below average bordering on ok". That's just not good enough.
  23. TheLeviathan
    This is helpful. But I'd like to point out, you are fixing the pitching with basically the same crew we had last year. Serious question - how good can that group ever really be? While I expect a better year from Gibson and Berrios, I expect a worse year from Santana. I also value having Buxton in CF all year and Castro. (i'm on the record being heavily in favor of that move) But we're also about to throw Polanco back at shortstop and Parker pointed out how the metrics aligned way too closely with Nishioka for my comfort level. And shortstop is the most important position. Either way, your pitching plan can't possibly inspire even you with much confidence right? That's a very low upside group. You're basically just hoping for "not terrible". How do we actually become good? And I ask because I like to think your answer really isn't any different from mine when I say "take DeLeon and another solid piece". (just so you see I have a purpose in this) The Zobrist deal has been discussed previously. While I agree they should do better than Manaea and filler, you could easily make the case that DeLeon + something relevant already does that. What we don't know is what else was being offered. If it was junk, i understand walking away. If it wasn't junk (i.e. Calhoun, Stewart, etc) than I think differently.
  24. TheLeviathan
    This also assumes health which gets rolled into the luck equation. And it assumes Berrios and May are starters, which I hope is true. The bullpen and the defense might have been under-discussed so far too.
  25. TheLeviathan
    What do you do about the pitching? And I'd like to know what the similar deals are too, that'd help.
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