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  1. 70charger
    Good points. Also why I don't agree with the idea that the Twins hold their players in the minors "too long." Because what is "too long"? It isn't objective.
  2. 70charger
    Winston Smith and DPJ: There is an enormous difference between the time periods quoted. That difference is: team members. I would argue that dismissing the first several weeks of the season is absolutely warranted, simply because the Twins had a totally different lineup. Plouffe wasn't playing, Dozier wasn't up, Valencia was still whiffing at the major league level, Sean Burroughs was on the roster, Jason Marquis was putting up an 8 ERA, Pavano was still pitching, etc. Beginning in mid- to late-May, the Twins were a different team, and that's why quoting the record since then is not cherry picking. On the other hand, your quoting the record over the last five years is entirely moot, because the teams are all so different among those five years. Hell, even over the last two years, look at the differences! Between 2010 and 2012, here are the changes. First base is the same, but second, third, and short are all different. Center field is the same, but left and right are both different. Catcher is technically the same, but now Mauer is half-time. DH is different. 3 out of the 5 starting pitchers are gone. The reliever corps is quite different too, but that's expected, so we'll leave them out of the total count. That means that, total, the 2010 team and 2012 team have about 5 and a half players in common, out of a possible 14. Adding up the stats for the last five years means adding up stats for teams that are radically different. That's why your point doesn't hold.
  3. 70charger
    Read it again. "One really good season." Not "one really good season and another above average season." I left out 2010 because it simply wasn't comparable at all to his 2006 campaign. Everyone seems to think Liriano is great, and the only reason I can think of is that 2006 dominance. It's a case of woulda-coulda-shoulda. Certainly, his 2008-2012 numbers don't compare. Not even a little bit. 2010 was nice, with a 112 ERA+. 2006 was "really good," with a 208 ERA+. You may think I'm splitting hairs, but I think there's a huge difference. And Liriano will never, ever return to his 2006 form.
  4. 70charger
    This is probably right, but it all seems to come down to what another organization has on offer. Span SHOULD get more, but if they trade him just to trade him, he probably WON'T get more. Waiting for real value is the way to go here, regardless of whether that's at 3:00 PM or in the winter meetings.
  5. 70charger
    You're going to look silly when Liriano keeps up his average ERA+ of 80 or so for the next few years and then washes out of baseball. Too bad he only had one really good season. Six years ago.
  6. 70charger
    Bet?
  7. 70charger
    So if it turns out poorly, he's terrible; and if it turns out well, he's lucky. Yup. No bias there.
  8. 70charger
    The Twins don't really need an underperforming outfielder. If we're talking reclamation projects, I'd rather see a pitcher than has fallen out with his organization than a guy like Travis Snider.
  9. 70charger
    Liriano pitches 4, gives up 5. If he's lucky, he gets pulled in the fifth inning.
  10. 70charger
    You're not the only one who feel this way. However, what I've found is that we can make lemonade from these lemons. Whatever they say, you know right off the bat that there's a reasonable case to be made for the opposite.
  11. 70charger
    Very nice. Thank you.
  12. 70charger
    Well done, sir.
  13. 70charger
    I don't see it. You really think that a GM is going to be swayed by one single start? That's just dumb. Look at Liriano's numbers over the last six years (post-TJ) and you see exactly what you're getting. I.e., a guy who is good to great in June and July and a really crappy pitcher at all other times. Thinking that someone is going to overpay based on one more start is the height of ridiculous.
  14. 70charger
    Well, I feel good. I've just been proven right. Anything that DPJ hates is clearly good for the Twins.
  15. 70charger
    This is so ridiculously wrong, it's ridiculous. Hey, let's not think for one second about how long these people were under contract with the Twins! I'd say that 2 months of Liriano losing late-season games for Minnesota is "worth" less than nothing. We should all be happy we got more than a bag of balls. The fact of the matter is that neither one nor the other was going to be a Twin for any more a couple of months at the time of their trade. Santana was good, granted, but Liriano is not. I'm going to be laughing at all of you when he's losing 10-15 games for whoever the hell he signs with next year, and for way too much money to boot.
  16. 70charger
    Nope. June and July are not 50% of the season. Very few people here seem to get it. Liriano IS a fifth starter. His ERA+ over the last six years is, frankly, ****ty. He. Is. Not. A. Good. Pitcher. Get over it!
  17. 70charger
    Who is cheaper. Casilla is using whatever Spanish expletive is roughly equivalent to ****! right now.
  18. 70charger
    I call B.S. And this has been covered in other threads. I don't think the numbers are on your side. Certainly, some pitchers have gotten better post-Twins. Many others have gotten better after joining the Twins. Many others we will never know about because they didn't move. The idea that we should be ready for frustration at the hands of Liriano is speculation piled on top of speculation, all of which flies in the face of actual history.
  19. 70charger
    Ask for? Yes. Get? No. Next question.
  20. 70charger
    I'm not piling on, I'm just contributing to critical mass. On top of what this excellent post says, Liriano's current season ERA+ is 77. He's far, far below average. Last year, his whole-season ERA+ was 80. Let's face it. He's NOT A GOOD PITCHER!
  21. 70charger
    That's not fair! Delmon has never missed anything in a KFC drive through!
  22. 70charger
    This. And as far as I'm concerned, if that potential to be dominant hasn't shown up consistently in the last six years, it's not gonna.
  23. 70charger
    I doubt that it was his last outing. I think it was more like his last 5 years. Those who thought Liriano was a #1 or #2 were just deluding themselves. He was/is absolutely not in the same league as some of the other trade bait this year like Greinke, Hamels, and probably even Dempster. (And no, I don't mean the AL.)
  24. 70charger
    Peripheral. Even if you include his ridiculously dominant 2006 campaign, Liriano has a career ERA+ of 97. Leave out the 2006 season he's been staking his reputation on for six whole years and he's a pretty crappy pitcher.
  25. 70charger
    Game, set, match.
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