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  1. ThejacKmp
    Again, where were they supposed to get them? Sign darvish? Trade the farm for Archer? Wou!d that make them a god team of would that just shorten the development window? Of course they need starting pitching. That's self-evident. Where they get it is the interesting part. I favor internal development and short term high floor or ceiling free agency over paying sticker price for an ace likely to suck by year four.
  2. ThejacKmp
    So you want them to do what? Trade for this year's Verlander? What player put them over the top? What move do you make that the Twins didn't? Give Darvish seven years? I also disagree on the Twins not having the starting pitching to have a good shot in their window. Berrios, Gonsalves, Romero and Thorpe are all promising arms with upside and that doesn't get into some of the guys they've drafted in the years before that. They don't have the ability to be the Mets of four years ago with four young aces and they're unlikely to enter the postseason as the team with the best rotation but how much does that matter? The Nationals regularly have a great rotation and crap out. The Twins have enough guys with the potential to be postseason arms you can win with. Those Royals teams had nothing exciting pitching-wise. Like those Royals teams, the Twins have the potential for a deep and dynamic offense - the Yankees' staff this year is nothing special but an offense makes them a contender. The Twins aren't going to have Stanton and Judge but they could be a scary 1-9 team without too much squinting. This just seem super negative with no real alternative. The Twins weren't a pitcher away from being a World Series team. Paying a ransom for Archer or whoever wasn't going to do anything more than narrow the window with no real payoff.
  3. ThejacKmp
    But it's also about how you are likely to help the team. The Twins have a ton of minor league depth that would appear to be above him on the list: Mejia, Santana, Gonsalves, Jorge, May etc. He seems unlikely to crack the Twins as anything other than an emergency starter. On the other hand, a third left handed reliever has real value. The Twins don't have Duke past this year either. Knowing that Enns can fill the #2 or #3 lefty reliever void likely has significantly more value than having an 11th starter.
  4. ThejacKmp
    I'd be very happy with a WC victory and an ALDS series. And would have before the season. That would be a big accomplishment and great experience for the young uns. This WS-or-bust thing is a terrible concept. Yeah we could go get a deadline ace by trading away top prospects. Maybe get Manny Machado on a rental by trading Gordon. But that would be stupid and shortsighted. The Twins are on the early edge of their window. They have a young core of hitters who are all still developing and a wave of pitching that is still a year away from the majors. You can even see a nice secondary wave building 3-4 years from now with Lewis, Kiriloff, Graterol etc. Their division has a team that is fairly far into their window (Indians), rebuilding (White Sox) or delusional about not rebuilding (Tigers, Royals). Going for it hurts the team's chance to be competitive for years to come. That's what smart organizations do - they build a team that can compete year-in, year-out while also making the small additions that won't cost long-term depth but will help give the team a chance.
  5. ThejacKmp
    Well that was over quickly.
  6. ThejacKmp
    Two righties and a guy you want batting from the left so not crazy to keep Gibby for one more.
  7. ThejacKmp
    you take that back
  8. ThejacKmp
    Ah, the no-nos over.
  9. ThejacKmp
    Good to see Robbie heating up. He's probably not the 2016 version but he's a useful bench player.
  10. ThejacKmp
    I have wondered about the Rule V this year. It seemed like decisions with Chargois and others were made with the Rule V in mind - they really wanted that roster spot. Maybe they expected a guy to fall and he didn't so they grabbed Kinley? Several other contenders grabbed guys but most sent them back at some point (like Bard). It'll be interesting to see if the Twins join them in a few weeks.
  11. ThejacKmp
    I think the position player is one of the more reasonable alternatives. Hard to believe that yet another pitcher changes things too much. That said, I doubt the Twins would carry another position player even without Kinley. None of the discussion is "Bring up Vargas", it's "What reliever would be better?" As for why a continuing team would want to carry that player, it would be with the long-term view in line. If you believe you have a guy who can be a contributor down the line, that may be more useful than carrying a random reliever who seems unlikely to develop into anything more.
  12. ThejacKmp
    Yeah I never know the answer to this. I'm not a scout and I don't know many on Twins Daily that are scouty enough to tell. I assume the Twins see something in him and I trust their talent evaluation skills. For me, the big question with him is upside and age. He's just too old to take the Pressey two-year-development-plan. If he were 24, I'd be more inclined. If he had four pitches, I'd be more inclined.
  13. ThejacKmp
    Totally cool with trying some of them. But let's fill that Moya/Buesnitz/Duffey spot with someone competent before we get rid of Kinley. Unless two of those guys demand a call-up. Big elephant in the room is what to do if starters are all healthy when Santana comes back. Hughes seems pen bound and then you lose that spot you can move guys up and down with. At that point, Kinley seems not long for this team.
  14. ThejacKmp
    I guess I'd say that until I see the Twins optioning useful relievers down to AAA (and Duffey bombed last night so not off to a good start) because they have to keep Kinley, I don't really see how this is super relevant. Kinley's lack of options only becomes an issue when the next-to-last spot in the pen is competent.
  15. ThejacKmp
    Okay, my question is this: Are people saying that (1) The Twins are too competitive to have a Rule V guy on the roster or (2) that this Rule V guy is not worth it? Because I can very much get behind #2. If he was 24 and had the makings of 3-4 pitches to become a starter, I'd get it. But he's 27 with limited upside. But #1 I have a hard time with because of everything you said above. He's the last man in a large pen and the situations he's terrible in have little to no effect on the bottom line for this year's team. Thoughts?
  16. ThejacKmp
    But Moya can be moved down without losing anything. Kinley can't. You can argue that losing Kinley doesn't mean much but it is a loss. If you were going to fix one, you'd work on Moya's spot first cuz you lose nothing.
  17. ThejacKmp
    Maybe this is memory bias but I don't remember past Twins teams being different. Teams don't pitch guys three games in a row and usually not four out of five but not strange to depend on your better relievers in set roles. Like when Rogers came in I didn't think "Oh man, him again?" It seemed like a natural spot for him with all the rest he's been getting. I don't buy the overall overtaxing issues either. The Twins are carrying an absurd number of pitchers and with all the days off, no one has been overtaxed. That might be an issue going forward and may be an excellent reason to bring up a Duffey who seems more likely (based on past performance) to be a guy you can trust in the 5th or 6th or 10th. But as is, the Twins bullpen has been ineffective, not overtaxed. On paper, it's a deep pen that has 5-6 guys you should be able to trust. Bigger issue to me is Moya. He's on the team but wasn't even used as a LOOGY, which seems a natural role especially with that funky delivery. He was on the squad for far too long - should've kept a Vargas-type over him and had some position-player flexibility.
  18. ThejacKmp
    Yeah, I think that would be a big part of my "we overreact to Kinley" thoughts. We should be more upset about not using Moya's spot since we could easily move guys up and down for that role.
  19. ThejacKmp
    Taylor Rogers pitched four times in six days, only once back-to-back. Before that he hadn't pitched since April 9th. Two of those four outings were less than 12 pitches. One was one batter. I think saying that Taylor Rogers was overworked would be a pretty big stretch. Set-up men work that load regularly. Also, not sure how Kinley changes that. The Twins snowed-out weekend means that all of these guys had a long break. No idea how having Duffey up instead of Kinley changes Rogers pitching. The Twins don't trust Duffey in close games. The way I know that is they sent him to AAA and called up several other relievers before him. Pretty tenuous argument.
  20. ThejacKmp
    The Rule V has worked out for the Twins overall. If they take a terrible Rule V guy for ten years it still has been better. Agree with you on Kinley's age being an issue. I wouldn't have taken him, would've protected Burdi (and sadly, likely would've let Chargois go). My overall point is that Kinley hasn't been the reason the Twins are where they are. His role (mop-up guy) is pretty meaningless for overall record. I'm fine with dropping him but let's have an appropriate level of ire when examining the situation and let's not act like the Twins will be unable to compete if their mop-up guy sucks.
  21. ThejacKmp
    I'd feel more concerned about Kinley for Curtiss (who I get very excited about) if the Twins hadn't also been carrying the Moya/Buesnitz/Duffey revolving door already. If Duffey sticks and is good, then I think Curtiss for Kinley begins to make some sense.
  22. ThejacKmp
    Well that's the future almost certainly. When Santana comes back, Hughes goes to the pen and Kinley is the obvious guy to drop. We'll see what happens there (and that may be an argument to make the Kinley drop earlier since it's going to happen anyways).
  23. ThejacKmp
    Interesting. Too bad he hits lefty. Because Grossman and LaMarre both make sense since they can hit righty. Would you promote Cave over Granite if Kepler or Rosario hit the DL?
  24. ThejacKmp
    The Twins decided not to keep Chargois (and Bard) before Kinley was ever a possibility. So those two are not particularly related. I'm not blaming Kinley for that, I'm blaming the front office for thinking that they could get anybody at #18 that would have more upside than Chargois (who also had no options). Not saying that we should keep Kinley no matter what. Like you, I think that the upside of Future Kinley is not worth Present Kinley. But this should be a non-subject. I've heard this complaint on just about every game recap and most threads. It's a pretty overhyped issue for the Twins. Kinley's performance has done nothing to change the Twins record right now. That's because the last pitcher in the pen rarely effects the team's record (only real exception are those 16 inning games and the Twins never used him in their lone example).
  25. ThejacKmp
    You really think that Hildenberg is going to pitch at the same rate when the Twins are playing everyday? The only reason he's pitched such a high percentage is all the days off. The Twins won't keep up this pace, they're not Dusty Baker. Replacing Kinley with . . . Buesnitz? isn't going to win or lose the Twins any games. The role by definition is to mop up. You have to make the fixes that are most likely to make an actual difference. I don't see any easy ones. I also think this is a small-sample slump and not something that requires radical changes.
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