Let's back up. You injected the idea of 'no World Series wins' accrued in Epstein's and Friedman's VERY brief time on the job as a way of gauging what you view as very limited success on their part. When I noted the questionable usefulness of such an all-or-nothing approach, you offered this - and only this - as a counter: "See:Ryan, Terry:Circa:2002-2010" I'm not quite sure how you're not quite sure how anybody can "read into" that footnote just about anything they want to, up to but maybe not quite including Ryan's favorite color. So I'm still wondering why you brought him up in the first place. He wasn't a success as a GM during that run by your standard of World Series wins, or even playoff wins for that matter. And if he was a success, how are Epstein and Friedman not massively more successful, having achieved dramatic turnarounds in a fraction of the near-decade it took Ryan? And no, you absolutely, positively CANNOT use payroll as a means to downplay their success compared to Ryan, because Ryan HIMSELF has insisted multiple times (as have his employers) during this Twins' half-decade of futility that money is not an issue.