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    White Sox Winning Winter Meetings Through Day 1


    Seth Stohs

    The Winter Meetings are always a fun time for baseball fans. If you follow twitter or MLB Trade Rumors, there are constantly updates throughout the week, at all hours of the day. There is no question that the Chicago White Sox won Day 1 of the Winter Meetings. Here is a look at what happened on Day 1 in terms of Twins news. (No, it will not be empty below.)

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    OVERVIEW

    The Winter Meetings were originally set up as a meeting for all minor league teams. Then major league teams started crashing the party and since then, it has become a media Mecca.

    Contrary to popular belief, it isn’t just a place where GMs meet with agents and other GMs. Front offices of the teams go to have meetings.

    That said, of course, all the teams are there. All the GMs are there. All the agents are there. There are meetings.

    However, how many of the rumors will turn into actual transactions during this week? A few will, and we’ll try to stay on top of everything here at Twins Daily.

    WHITE SOX ARE BUSY

    Earlier in the offseason, the White Sox signed 1B Adam LaRoche, and then they signed lefty reliever Zach Duke.

    Rumors throughout the night were that the White Sox and A’s were in serious discussions about Jeff Samardzija. Sox infielder Marcus Simien, who was a top 100 prospect in Baseball America a year ago, was one name mentioned. It’s hard for me to believe he would be the key piece to such a trade. I think the White Sox would need to give up a higher-ranking prospect to get Samardzija.

    Then as midnight approached, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweeted that the White Sox signed closer David Robertson for four years and $46 million. The long-time set- up man for Mariano Rivera finally got the opportunity to close last year. He turned in a solid season and got his big pay day.

    There are rumors that the White Sox still could be a player for third baseman Chase Headley.

    Teaming “Shark” with lefties Chris Sale and Jose Quintana certainly gives the South Siders some quality pitching.

    COLABELLO CLAIMED BY THE BLUE JAYS

    Late this morning, the Toronto Blue Jays announced that they had claimed first baseman Chris Colabello. He comes off the Twins 40-man roster, putting the roster at 39. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next couple of days. Were the Twins just trying to clear up a spot for a potential free agent signing? Were they just opening up a roster spot so that they can make a Rule 5 selection on Thursday? Could other players currently be on the waiver wire to create more roster spots so that the Twins could do both?

    Colabello’s story was (and remains) remarkable. The Twins signed him before the 2012 season out of independent baseball where he spent eight seasons. He made the New Britain roster and raked that whole season. In 2013, he was invited to big league spring training and became a hero for Team Italy in the World Baseball Classic. He was named the International League Rookie of the Year and MVP for his great play in AAA Rochester. In May, all that time spent culminated with his big league debut. And, of course, he made the Twins opening day roster. He was named the American League co-Player of the Month in April. Unfortunately, he was jammed on a pitch late in the month and had thumb problems that affected him the rest of the season. Even recently, he learned from an MRI that there was still inflammation.

    It’s a savvy move for the Blue Jays. The powerful Colabello showed that when healthy he can hit and be quite productive in the big leagues. The Blue Jays traded Adam Lind in the offseason to Milwaukee, but then they acquired first baseman Justin Smoak. Colabello could compete with another former Twins player, Danny Valencia, for right-handed platoon at-bats. The other thing is that Colabello still has an option year remaining so he can provide the Jays with powerful depth. Of course, seeing how Toronto has operated the last couple of seasons, it’s also possible that they could now try to sneak Colabello through waivers, too.

    OLIVA, KAAT FALL SHY OF COOPERSTOWN

    At 1:00 central time on Monday, the Hall of Fame gathered the media together in San Diego to tell them that the Veteran’s Committee had elected no one to the Hall of Fame. I think a press release might have done the job.

    For enshrinement, a player would have needed 12 of the 16 Veteran’s Committee members to vote for them. Tony Oliva and Dick Allen both received 11 votes. Jim Kaat received 10 votes.

    Can you imagine being one vote away from receiving baseball’s ultimate honor? One vote! Now, I have said many times in the past that I don’t think that Oliva or Kaat should be in the Hall of Fame, but whenever they are up for election again, I will hope like crazy that they make it.

    MASTERSON UPDATE

    1500 ESPN’s Darren Wolfson posted several tweets yesterday indicating that the Twins have been unable to meet with free agent starter Justin Masterson. It may be that his agent hasn’t been able to work out a time to talk to Terry Ryan. It’s also possible that Masterson just isn’t interested in the Twins.

    Listen, the reason that Masterson is appealing to many as a potential free agent acquisition is that he was coming off his age-29 season in which he posted a 7-9 record with a 5.88 ERA and a 1.63 WHIP between Cleveland and St. Louis. The thought was that he might want to sign a cheap, one-year deal with someone to regain market value, so why not the Twins?

    Part of the allure was that he has some upside and typically has eaten a lot of innings. However, since the hot stove league began, it’s been suggested by many that there are a lot of teams, likely well into double-digit teams, who are interested. That creates a bit of a bidding war. Frankly, it’s not a bidding war I would want to get into. His ERA+ in 2013 was 110, in 2012 it was 79, in 2011, it was 122, in 2010 it was 84 and in 2009 it was 94. That’s not the kind of guy you get into a bidding war over.

    OTHER FREE AGENTS OF NOTE

    LaVelle E. Neal of the Star Tribune posted throughout the day that the Twins have been quite active talking to agents for some free agent pitchers. That sounds good, but the four pitchers that he is linking the Twins with are Logan Ondrusek, Dustin McGowan, John Axford and Alexi Ogando. All four would be relief pitchers.

    None of those names are terribly exciting on a major league contract. I realize that the Twins can improve their bullpen. I just personally prefer going the minor league signing route or using starting pitchers who are not in the starting rotation. Then again, I’m good with anyone on a minor league contract.

    TERRY RYAN NOTES

    In his Monday media discussions, Terry Ryan indicated that he had no interest in the Toronto Blue Jays CEO/President position. He said he is from Minnesota, it’s where his family is and will remain. This is no surprise, of course, since Ryan had the opportunity to be the Blue Jays general manager in 2001 when the Twins were on the contraction chopping block. He could have left then but decided that he was staying.

    He also said that Ron Gardenhire is likely to take the 2015 year off and then determine what he wants to do in 2016. He will continue to have a standing job offer with the Twins.

    COMING SOON: MINNESOTA TWINS PROSPECT HANDBOOK 2015

    Much more will be coming throughout this week, but this year’s Twins Prospect Handbook will be available within a week, possibly even as early as Friday. Co-Authors Jeremy Nygaard, Cody Christie and I are waiting until after the Rule 5 draft to release the book so that we can add (or subtract) any players affected that day.

    This year’s Prospect Handbook (my seventh) is huge, and it’s packed with Twins minor league information. There are prospect profiles on approximately 150 Twins minor leaguers. Anyone from the Gulf Coast League through guys whose Rookie of the Year status remain. You’ll find stories on our choices for Starting Pitcher (JO Berrios), Relief Pitcher (Brandon Peterson), Hitter (Mitch Garver) and Manager (Doug Mientkiewicz) of the Year. Jeremy takes a look at the Twins draft in 2014 and looks ahead to the 2015 draft when the Twins have the sixth selection. Cody took a look at the injuries. We also had articles from Steve Buhr, Eric Pleiss and former Twins minor leaguer AJ Pettersen.

    I’m also excited to say that St. Paul Pioneer Press’s Mike Berardino wrote a terrific foreword for the book. We also want to thank Linwood Ferguson for his pictures of the Ft. Myers players and Steve Buhr for pictures from Cedar Rapids.

    As I mentioned, there will be much more information coming in the next few days. If you’re looking for a Christmas gift or stocking stuffer, consider getting a copy of the 2015 Minnesota Twins Prospect Handbook.

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    WHAT WILL HAPPEN ON DAY 2?

    The White Sox won Day 1 of the Winter Meetings in San Diego. What will happen on Day 2? Will the Twins make any news?

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     I can't say there's much evidence to support the Sox' way of doing things is any more likely to generate success on the field.

     

    Exhibit A:

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    Exhibit B:

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    Edited by nicksaviking

    1) Given the rumored package I think there is absolutely no contingency that Shark has to sign an extension.  You wouldn't be getting him for this discounted price if it didn't come with a ton of risk.  It's still a reasonable gamble, but it's more than likely a rental.

     

    2) I love the post above that says this is just what the Sox do.  In 2010 it was Dunn and Crain.  They've also traded for Peavy and made all sorts of other moves over the years that didn't pan out in much.  We're ten years removed from the flukey run to the World Series (credit to them, this system did pay off spectacularly once), but this is a lot of hot air about what the typical Sox do.

     

    They are still generally a bunch of mediocre to bad fielders, with thin depth, and a thin lineup that has a tendency to be streaky.

     

    Kudos to them for their aggression, but we've seen this before and it generally doesn't work for them.

    The White Sox certainly won the headlines for Day 1 of the winter meetings. Obviously we'll see what happens. I do like their pitching staff. 4 very good starters and 4 really good relievers is a good start. We'll see what happens on the field. Will still depend a lot on the development of players like Tyler Flowers and Avisail Garcia.

    No, my logic was there were only a few teams who had the immediate need for Abreu, so there wasn't much of a bidding war, and it didn't include the big pocket teams, no matter how you spin it, this was a major miss.  And nobody should have missed that Abreu's numbers in Cuba were comparable or better than the guys who had already succeeded at the major league level.

    Gotcha. So by your logic, only a few teams had an immediate need for Sano. And Abreu was a major miss for the incompetent Twins, but not for a majority of the other teams, according to the way YOU spin it. Got it.

    1) Given the rumored package I think there is absolutely no contingency that Shark has to sign an extension.  You wouldn't be getting him for this discounted price if it didn't come with a ton of risk.  It's still a reasonable gamble, but it's more than likely a rental.

     

    2) I love the post above that says this is just what the Sox do.  In 2010 it was Dunn and Crain.  They've also traded for Peavy and made all sorts of other moves over the years that didn't pan out in much.  We're ten years removed from the flukey run to the World Series (credit to them, this system did pay off spectacularly once), but this is a lot of hot air about what the typical Sox do.

     

    They are still generally a bunch of mediocre to bad fielders, with thin depth, and a thin lineup that has a tendency to be streaky.

     

    Kudos to them for their aggression, but we've seen this before and it generally doesn't work for them.

     

    Over the last 10 years, the White Sox have a .504 winning percentage- plus a WS win.  The Twins in the same time frame have a .489 winning percentage- and are currently riding four straight 92+ loss seasons. As documented previously, the Twins have a history of very long boom and bust cycles- I prefer that the down cycles be shorter.

    With the Duke and Robertson signings, plus their alleged continuing pursuit of Gregerson,  the Sox are trying to emphatically answer what the Royals did, and buying a high-quality pen.  

     

    I am also guessing that the Sox are betting that, given they are Shark's hometown team, he won't just be a rental.  If every one of these high-priced pitching deals work out, plus at least two of Rodon, Montas, Adams and Danish really blossoming, the Sox might have the best pitching staff in the AL Central for a few years.

     

    I totally agree. The Sox should have an excellent pitching staff.  And I also agree that they'll probably move to keep the hometown kid on a long deal.  Any way you cut it, they're building what should be a better team for next year and probably years to come. I suppose I'm just acknowledging that there's a lot of risk involved here, and as a Twins fan, I hope that none of it pans out.

    The White Sox certainly won the headlines for Day 1 of the winter meetings. Obviously we'll see what happens. I do like their pitching staff. 4 very good starters and 4 really good relievers is a good start. We'll see what happens on the field. Will still depend a lot on the development of players like Tyler Flowers and Avisail Garcia.

     

    Seperately, I don't think I really like any of the White Sox moves, but combined, they now have few holes.  When you put it in those terms, it really puts it in perspective, the Twins should be so lucky if their remaining concerns were lack of offense from their catcher and the development of one of their top prospects.

    Over the last 10 years, the White Sox have a .504 winning percentage- plus a WS win.  The Twins in the same time frame have a .489 winning percentage- and are currently riding four straight 92+ loss seasons. As documented previously, the Twins have a history of very long boom and bust cycles- I prefer that the down cycles be shorter.

     

    Where, at any point, did I compare the White Sox to the Twins?  

    Gotcha. So by your logic, only a few teams had an immediate need for Sano. And Abreu was a major miss for the incompetent Twins, but not for a majority of the other teams, according to the way YOU spin it. Got it.

     

    This is a conversation about Abreu, I've no idea why you would bring up Sano, totally irrelevant to this discussion- signing Sano at 16 and Abreu at 26 aren't just 10 years apart in age, in terms of relevance to this discussion, they're 10 Light Years apart.  

     

    And regarding the circumstances around the Abreu signing, that was not spin, that was the straight facts leading up to the Sox signing Abreu.

    As far as Robertson goes,  I love that move.  He reminds me of a certain closer.   Robertson 2014: 4-5, 3.08 ERA, 39 saves, 2.68 FIP.  Matt Capps 2010: 5-3, 2.47 ERA, 42 saves, 3.22 FIP. 

    Comparing relievers by W-L, ERA, Saves, and FIP is almost certainly worse than paying $40 million for a relief pitcher. :)

     

    I probably wouldn't have done it, but the Robertson deal looks much better than the Nathan extension from 2008.  Heck, many of us (probably not you :) ) consider the Perkins deal to be team-friendly, and he's guaranteed almost $25 mil over the next 4 years (albeit with an option).  I wouldn't make a practice of paying big money to relievers, but making an exception to target a fairly young, big K guy like Robertson in a year when your first round pick is protected doesn't look crazy to me.

    With the Duke and Robertson signings, plus their alleged continuing pursuit of Gregerson,  the Sox are trying to emphatically answer what the Royals did, and buying a high-quality pen.  

     

    I am also guessing that the Sox are betting that, given they are Shark's hometown team, he won't just be a rental.  If every one of these high-priced pitching deals work out, plus at least two of Rodon, Montas, Adams and Danish really blossoming, the Sox might have the best pitching staff in the AL Central for a few years.

     

    (When you're going to go after "hometown" boys, I much prefer bringing home Shark and Gregerson to Hunter and Guerrier).

     

    I mostly agree with this, if everything works out.

     

    While Rodon is a stud, the others are less exciting. The scouting reports on Montas are mixed, despite his ability to throw it fast. He projects as a #3 starter or likely bullpen guy.  May, Meyer, Berrios, Stewart, Thorpe, and Gonsalves all have higher ceilings than Spencer and Danish, from what I've read. They compare more favorably to Rogers, Eades, and the like.

     

    So, if by some stroke of luck, Sale, Rodon, Quintana, and now Shark remain free of injury, I'd grant that this will be a top 5 rotation when they're all healthy and going well.

    The White Sox obviously aren't perfect, but I like that they are never content to accept 4-5 year rebuilding plans (even if they are unlikely to win a pennant in that 4-5 year window anyway).  They've been really aggressive, even in the draft (Sale, Rodon), and while not every move has worked out for them, I have never gotten the impression that any of their failed moves have really prevented any other significant moves.

    Since it had nothing to do with my point, not really.  Kudos to them for their aggression, but we've seen these same moves flop for them many times.  So I always treat them as very wait and see.

     

    I'll politely suggest decaf, yet again.

     

    My pont is, yes, aggressive moves can flop, but so can making only safe moves.  And playing safe, and playing the woe-is-me mid-market team, can lead to long, long dry spells, that the Twins are so famous for.  We'll wait and see on the Sox, heck, we're used to a lot of waiting and seeing on the Twins, and all of the "just wait until tomorrows" they're selling year after year to the fan base.

     

    There's nothing wrong with going for it and missing, if you can quickly bounce back towards relevancy.  The Sox finished 2nd in the Central in 2012, hit rock bottom and cleaned house in 2013, and now just a year later, they're already being called a legitimate contender by the national media.  I hate the Sox, but I prefer this cycle to the one the Twins are on. 

    Edited by jokin

    So, if by some stroke of luck, Sale, Rodon, Quintana, and now Shark remain free of injury, I'd grant that this will be a top 5 rotation when they're all healthy and going well.

    They don't really need future luck to have a meaningfully strong rotation -- they've got one at present.  Sale, Quintana, and now Samardzija.

     

    I'd argue that even with TR's guidance, the Twins draft-and-develop approach is probably more dependent on "luck" (with less yearly breakout potential) than the White Sox more aggressive approach.

    As mentioned above:  Chisox need a cather, 3rd baseman an outfelder, now second baseman.  This team needs to learn to play defense and for some reason every year they dont.  Did I mention, just as the Twins, they need to get key hits.  Are they a better team after the last two days?  Yes, Have they improved on a 73 win season to get 20 more wins to win the division?  No  just saying

    People have cried "the White Sox are mortgaging their future!" since the David Wells trade. Since then they've won 1150 games. The Twins? 1153.

     

    Yup, a lot of Twins fans do it with the Tigers too and it's just not the right way to approach this.  The reverse is also true - just because a team is aggressive doesn't mean they've automatically done the right thing either.  I get that people want to fawn over a way of doing things that contrasts with what we are accustomed, but that doesn't make it sounds strategy.

     

    The moves the Sox have made are aggressive and interesting, but they've had trouble fitting these sorts of moves together for some time.  That's the real key.  But not every evaluation of another team needs to keep coming back to a compare and contrast with the Twins.  That's unnecessary and sidetracking.

    Edited by TheLeviathan

    Over the last 10 years, the White Sox have a .504 winning percentage- plus a WS win.  The Twins in the same time frame have a .489 winning percentage- and are currently riding four straight 92+ loss seasons. As documented previously, the Twins have a history of very long boom and bust cycles- I prefer that the down cycles be shorter.

    And over the past 9 years, they have a .495 winning percentage, with 1 post season appearence (thanks to a Jim Thome homer). The same period of time shows the Twins to have a .485 WP, and 3 post season entries. Since 2006, the Sox have yet to post consecutive winning seasons. I don't think the Twins want to go about emulating that. 

    And over the past 9 years, they have a .495 winning percentage, with 1 post season appearence (thanks to a Jim Thome homer). The same period of time shows the Twins to have a .485 WP, and 3 post season entries. Since 2006, the Sox have yet to post consecutive winning seasons. I don't think the Twins want to go about emulating that. 

     

    if it means counting that 10th year, as I did, and getting a World Series ring, plus no 4 straight years of 92+ losses, I'm all for the emulating.

    I'll politely suggest decaf, yet again.

     

    My pont is, yes, aggressive moves can flop, but so can making only safe moves.  And playing safe, and playing the woe-is-me mid-market team, can lead to long, long dry spells, that the Twins are so famous for.  We'll wait and see on the Sox, heck, we're used to a lot of waiting and seeing on the Twins, and all of the "just wait until tomorrows" they're selling year after year to the fan base.

     

    There's nothing wrong with going for it and missing, if you can quickly bounce back towards relevancy.  The Sox finished 2nd in the Central in 2012, hit rock bottom and cleaned house in 2013, and now just a year later, they're already being called a legitimate contender by the national media.  I hate the Sox, but I prefer this cycle to the one the Twins are on. 

     

    I question if these are the types of moves you can easily bounce back from. They may hand Jeff S. $20M a year over 5-6 years.  Paying $17M a year for a set up guy and closer are not moves you can rid yourself of easily if they go sour.  And $25M for LaRoche could be deadweight come May 1.

     

    Last year they fielded a 73 win team for 90M.  They don't lose any large contracts.  They add $39M from what I can tell with Jeff S. (10M).  LaRoche (12M).  The two relievers (17M).  They may rip up jeff's deal and double his pay.  I would guess Sale, Danks, and Abreu's deals increase next year among others. 

     

    I think we need to take a deep breathe here.  The $140M team they will field next year looks to me as not quite a perennial contender.  They were 15-20th in offense and 28th or so in defense.   Not sure you go all in after adding basically three pitchers, two of which are relievers and frankly a below average 1b/dh addition.

    Yup, a lot of Twins fans do it with the Tigers too and it's just not the right way to approach this.  The reverse is also true - just because a team is aggressive doesn't mean they've automatically done the right thing either.  I get that people want to fawn over a way of doing things that contrasts with what we are accustomed, but that doesn't make it sounds strategy.

     

    The moves the Sox have made are aggressive and interesting, but they've had trouble fitting these sorts of moves together for some time.  That's the real key.  But not every evaluation of another team needs to keep coming back to a compare and contrast with the Twins.  That's unnecessary and sidetracking.

    I don't think anyone believes the White Sox have been a perfectly run franchise or even a better one than the Twins. I certainly wouldn't have traded what the Sox did for a 38 year old David Wells, for example. A 6th rounder and a 16th rounder for a 30 year old Samardzija, who worshipped the White Sox as a kid, seems a lot more reasonable IMO.

     

    To your second point, the Twins and White Sox are basically polar opposites of each other in how they handle prospects - one uses them as a pipeline of talent and the other uses them as currency, its interesting to compare the results of the two strategies. And 1150 wins doesn't mean much without some context. Also this is a Twins forum.

    Edited by Willihammer

      I get that people want to fawn over a way of doing things that contrasts with what we are accustomed, but that doesn't make it sounds strategy.

     

     

     

    Let's just forget about the last 4 years of being the worst team not the Astros, despite a new ballpark, for exemplary sound strategy. Yeah, that last 10 years in the wilderness is the 90s up until 2001, offering a General Admission Season Ticket for $81 (One dollar per game!) and almost getting contracted because the franchise had been so beaten down, that was some sound strategy, right there.

    This is a conversation about Abreu, I've no idea why you would bring up Sano, totally irrelevant to this discussion- signing Sano at 16 and Abreu at 26 aren't just 10 years apart in age, in terms of relevance to this discussion, they're 10 Light Years apart.  

     

    And regarding the circumstances around the Abreu signing, that was not spin, that was the straight facts leading up to the Sox signing Abreu.

    Spun facts regarding Abreu, my friend. Again, you characterize the Twins as bunglers for having missed on a no-brainer like Abreu, and grant them no room for possibly having other priorities than a DH/1B, or for missing him in the same way 29 teams missed him, i.e. for their own reasons. You continually paint a picture that portrays the Twins as being in an elite category in terms of missing out on this guy.

     

    I used Sano as an example of another guy, another no-brainer, that 29 teams missed on. I could have used Hughes, I suppose, but the point to be made is that it's patently unfair to castigate 29 teams as bunglers for missing out on Hughes or Sano. Or Abreu.

     

    The Twins bungle plenty. So do other teams. Abreu is not an example of a bungle, that's all.

    I question if these are the types of moves you can easily bounce back from. They may hand Jeff S. $20M a year over 5-6 years.  Paying $17M a year for a set up guy and closer are not moves you can rid yourself of easily if they go sour.  And $25M for LaRoche could be deadweight come May 1.

     

    Last year they fielded a 73 win team for 90M.  They don't lose any large contracts.  They add $39M from what I can tell with Jeff S. (10M).  LaRoche (12M).  The two relievers (17M).  They may rip up jeff's deal and double his pay.  I would guess Sale, Danks, and Abreu's deals increase next year among others. 

     

    I think we need to take a deep breathe here.  The $140M team they will field next year looks to me as not quite a perennial contender.  They were 15-20th in offense and 28th or so in defense.   Not sure you go all in after adding basically three pitchers, two of which are relievers and frankly a below average 1b/dh addition.

    It's only money. Isn't there some middle ground between the Sox and Twins?

    I question if these are the types of moves you can easily bounce back from. They may hand Jeff S. $20M a year over 5-6 years.  Paying $17M a year for a set up guy and closer are not moves you can rid yourself of easily if they go sour.  And $25M for LaRoche could be deadweight come May 1.

     

    Last year they fielded a 73 win team for 90M.  They don't lose any large contracts.  They add $39M from what I can tell with Jeff S. (10M).  LaRoche (12M).  The two relievers (17M).  They may rip up jeff's deal and double his pay.  I would guess Sale, Danks, and Abreu's deals increase next year among others. 

     

    I think we need to take a deep breathe here.  The $140M team they will field next year looks to me as not quite a perennial contender.  They were 15-20th in offense and 28th or so in defense.   Not sure you go all in after adding basically three pitchers, two of which are relievers and frankly a below average 1b/dh addition.

     

    I trust the Ivy League and Northwestern Kellogg School of Management guy to understand how to make the new economics of baseball work- and they've proven more than capable of extricating themselves from no longer desirable contracts just over the last year.  I think the new tidal wave of money flowing into baseball isn't fully yet appreciated.

     

     

    The Twins bungle plenty. So do other teams. Abreu is not an example of a bungle, that's all.

     

    We disagree, it was a big bungle, the numbers say it, there is no doubt that the Twins needed his major league ready bat, but they've demonstrated repeatedly with many chances in the Cuban market, they aren't willing to entertain that type of risk.  The Sox demonstrated that it is folly to try to time your "big signings" only after your prospects have all arrived.

     

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