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    Bringing Back The Band... And That's Just Fine


    Seth Stohs

    On Monday morning, the Minnesota Twins made it official that Michael Cuddyer, Torii Hunter and LaTroy Hawkins were coming back to the organization. No, they aren’t going to come out of retirement. Though all three could probably still contribute in some way on the field, they are going to attempt to help the Twins off the field and in the front office.

    I’m not sure when the “bringing back the gang” saying became a negative thing. I believe it was when the Twins decided to bring back Jason Kubel and Matt Guerrier on minor league deals before the 2014 season. Both were veterans who had solid MLB careers but were both coming off of injuries. The Twins took a chance on both, hoping they might be back at 100% and able to contribute. In both cases, it really didn’t work.

    A year later, the Twins brought Torii Hunter back for one more season. He had his ups and downs on the field that season, but few can question the impact he had in the clubhouse, even if you struggle to believe in the value of veteran leadership.

    The negative tone some chose to take for such signings went to a ridiculous level in the last year or so. When the Twins were looking to hire a manager, some didn’t want Paul Molitor. Maybe those people were right, but if the reasoning was because of his previous time with the Twins, then that just isn’t right.

    Even worse, Chip Hale was also considered a candidate early in the process. Some didn’t like that because he played for the Twins, about 20 years ago. Or, when the Twins were looking for a pitching coach two years ago, some said that Frank Viola shouldn’t be considered because he played for the organization, 25 years ago. Forget that he helped develop the likes of Matt Harvey, Jacob DeGrom, Noah Syndergaard, Steven Matz and the like.

    How about when the Twins were looking for a new GM (which became a new GM and Chief Baseball Operator)? I remember reading somewhere that the Twins probably shouldn’t consider someone like Randy Bush because he played for the Twins for several years in the 1980s and was on two championship teams. It would be Bringing Back The Gang, right? Again, ignore the fact that he hasn’t played in the organization for 25 years, and he’s not only coached in college but has been an assistant GM with the Cubs since long before the Theo Epstein reign began.

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    All Major League organizations bring back players in an “assistant” type of role. The Twins have done that for guys like Rod Carew, Kent Hrbek and Tony Oliva. They represent the organization at events like Twins Fest. They may show up for a while at spring training and other special events. That is a wonderful thing and something current players should appreciate. Last spring training, LaTroy Hawkins, Torii Hunter and Rick Aguilera each spent time in big league spring training.

    With today’s announcement, Cuddyer, Hunter and Hawkins will do that. They’ll be at spring training. They’ll help Paul Molitor with instruction, if asked. They’ll also be there to lend an ear to the players at camp. They’ll share stories. They’ll share things they learned in their careers.

    But they’ll do much more in their roles as special assistants. As Derek Falvey noted in his introductory comments of Monday’s press conference, “Each guy will play a meaningful role in our baseball operation moving forward. That spans across baseball operations, decisions that we make on a day-to-day, but also in player development, amateur scouting, how we transition players to the major leagues, and ultimately how we impact our culture here in Minnesota to get to where we want to be as a team.”

    In their introductory press conference earlier in the month, Thad Levine indicated that long-time Rangers players Michael Young and Darren Oliver hold similar roles in that organization. It isn’t just a token title, but a role where their input will be valued. Likewise in the Cleveland organization, former players such as Travis Hafner have a similar role.

    But one thing was clear from the press conference on Monday afternoon, the Twins had a great culture at the turn of the century and through those division-winning years. As Michael Cuddyer noted, it was a based on a “belief in teammates and self.”

    Cuddyer noted that it was a culture of team-first, and a culture of winning, throughout the organization, that helped lead to their MLB success. He exemplified the unselfishness of those teams with his willingness to play anywhere on the diamond that he was needed.

    “That is a culture that is established with rookie ball. Professional baseball is a system set up for self-promotion. I think a lot of the players buy into that. When I was coming up through the minor leagues we wanted to win the Eastern League. We wanted to win the Florida State League. We wanted to play that extra week or two weeks of the minor league season. When I would go down on rehab after a few years of being in the big leagues, I didn’t see that anymore. I would see more guys saying, 'I can’t wait to go home,' or 'I better get called up.' I-I-I-I… I think that’s a culture that can get put back into it, but it has to start in the lower minor league levels, the culture of We are going to win. We move up to the Florida State League, we’re going to win there too. We get called up to the Southern League, we’re going to win there too. When we move up to the International League, we’re going to win there too. And you know what, when we move up to the big leagues, we’re going to win there too. That’s a culture that needs to be developed again.”

    For what it’s worth, the Twins have seemingly developed a culture of winning in the minor leagues. In 2016, the Twins had a winning percentage of .542 for their four full-season affiliates. That was good for fifth place among big league organizations. If you want to take that out to the past four seasons, the Twins four, full-season affiliates have combined to go 1,225-1,020, a 54.6% winning percentage, third best in baseball over that stretch. Add to that, the Twins have been 1st, 3rd and 3rd in FIP (fielding independent pitching) the last three years. Brad Steil has certainly led the Twins organization and minor league system in the right direction. It also speaks well of the young talent that Terry Ryan was able to bring in to the organization.

    It’s that culture of winning and togetherness that brings these guys back to the organization.

    Cuddyer was the Twins first-round pick in 1997 out of high school in Norfolk, Virginia. He remained in the organization through the 2011 season. He played in 1,139 games in a Twins uniform. He hit a combined .272/.343/.451 (.794) with 239 doubles and 141 home runs for the Twins. He went to one All-Star Game as a Twins player (his final season). He went to Colorado where he went to another All-Star Game and won the 2013 batting title with a .331 average. He played in the 2015 World Series for the Mets. Injuries and a desire to spend more time with his family are the reasons he decided to retire following that season.

    LaTroy Hawkins was the Twins seventh-round pick in 1991 out of high school in Gary, Indiana. He was in the Twins organization through the 2003 season. He spent 21 seasons in the big leagues and only nine pitchers in MLB history pitched in more games than Hawkins’ 1,042. For the Twins, he struggled as a starter, and he struggled as a closer. Late in his time in the organization, he moved to a set up role, and his career took off.

    Torii Hunter was the Twins first-round pick in 1993 out of high school in Little Rock, Arkansas. He stayed in the organization through the 2007 season. He took a huge money deal to play five years for the Angels and then two years with the Tigers. He returned to the organization for the 2015 season. In all, he hit .268/.321/.462 (.783) with 281 doubles and 215 homer runs in 1,373 games over 12 years with the Twins.

    All three experienced a lot of frustrations in their careers (injuries, struggles, demotions, etc.), and all three experienced longevity and a lot of successes in their careers. All three were and are greatly respected by their peers. All three of them give credit to the Minnesota Twins organization for who they were on and off the field. So when the Twins called offering these positions, it was an easy choice for each.

    Cuddyer said, “There was really only one team that I saw myself ever being affiliated with again at this level in this early stage of my retirement, and that was the Twins. When this opportunity came about, I was excited to get join back in the organization. The organization made such a huge impact to me, a huge impact to myself and my family. This was the organization I wanted to be affiliate if I was going to do anything other than be with my family.”

    Hunter added “When I came back to retire, I was here to stay for life. The reason why I am here is because of the passion I have for this organization, the love that I have for this organization. And also wanting this organization to be a championship ball club and have a great atmosphere. That’s what I’m here for. It’s not work for me. It’s something I want to do. It’s a passion for me.

    Hawkins noted that he had several other similar offers, but “Once the Twins offer came, there wasn’t any other place I wanted to be. Home. Where it all started. I was very excited when I got the call about possibly joining the Twins family again.”

    Chief Baseball Operator Derek Falvey called it a perfect match. He said, “It became so clear that these three wanted to embed themselves in our baseball culture and be a part of the solution and actively work. There’s really no area of baseball operations that these guys aren’t going to hit. And they’re going to be resources for Thad (Levine), for me, and for the rest of the guys here to play a meaningful role in what we’re building. (It wasn’t specifically) about getting former Twins players. We want good people, people who care about the development of where we’re going as an organization. It helps greatly when you have three guys who care as deeply as these three do about the team, so this was a perfect match as we started to work down that path.”

    Bringing Back the Band doesn’t have to have the negative connotation that some seem to put on it. This is a case where the organization should be thrilled to bring back these three guys. They have represented the Twins organization well. They have always been appreciative of what the organization did for them and their families. All three are well known for giving back to their communities, and now are excited to give back to the Twins organization. It’s exciting that they aren’t going to be just “token” special assistants and want to be active. It’ll be interesting to see and hear how that will play out over the coming years.

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    Oh good.  I was hoping this thread would devolve into BS "Hunter is racist" and "started a fight" stuff and it's just PR and was not disappointed.  

     

    I'm happy for your lack of disappointment. Everyone should be appointed (is that the oppo?).

     

    Sorry about that, sort of stuck my keyboard in my mouth with that comment.

     

    You aren't the first to do it, and won't be the last......I just don't buy it. There have been people every generation that made that whole group be questioned by their parents and older people......we've never had the internet before to say it over and over (and to see such obvious examples). I could have said it nicer myself. Have a great day!

     

    You aren't the first to do it, and won't be the last......I just don't buy it. There have been people every generation that made that whole group be questioned by their parents and older people......we've never had the internet before to say it over and over (and to see such obvious examples). I could have said it nicer myself. Have a great day!

    I work in the school system in CA. What I see on a daily basis tends to leave me jaded, though I know it's a small sample size. Still no excuse for such a generalization, however.

    "Bringing Back The Band... And That's Just Fine"

     

    "Breaking Up the Band...And That Was All Wrong"

     

    I'm talking about the minor league band.  The Twins were in such a hurry to please fans, that they brought up each of their young star prospects and never taught them the path to winning.

     

    They should have (at some point) had: Rosario; Sano; Vargas; Buxton; Polanco; Kepler; Berrios; Duffy; Rogers; etc. - all play at the same level and EXPERIENCE winning a Championship title together.  As it is - only Polanco (1x) - Kepler (3x) - and Buxton (1x) know what winning a title feels like.  I suppose Hunter, Hawkins and Cudayer can tell the youngins' what it should feel like?  To me that's building ass backwards, but I guess it's still building?

     

    Oh good.  I was hoping this thread would devolve into BS "Hunter is racist" and "started a fight" stuff and it's just PR and was not disappointed.  

     

    Well, aren't those true things?  It's not unfair to point out things that the guy actually said and did.  True, it's not the whole picture with Hunter, he has done some good things too. 

    And of course now that he isn't going through the stress of competing he isn't likely to lose his temper and act like an arse.

    Oh, and you forgot to mention his homophobia.  :P

     

     

    "Bringing Back The Band... And That's Just Fine"

     

    "Breaking Up the Band...And That Was All Wrong"

     

    I'm talking about the minor league band.  The Twins were in such a hurry to please fans, that they brought up each of their young star prospects and never taught them the path to winning.

     

    They should have (at some point) had: Rosario; Sano; Vargas; Buxton; Polanco; Kepler; Berrios; Duffy; Rogers; etc. - all play at the same level and EXPERIENCE winning a Championship title together.  As it is - only Polanco (1x) - Kepler (3x) - and Buxton (1x) know what winning a title feels like.  I suppose Hunter, Hawkins and Cudayer can tell the youngins' what it should feel like?  To me that's building ass backwards, but I guess it's still building?

     

    There wasn't much choice.  The major league team had more holes than George Washington's teeth.  Bad management.

     

    We have a younger generation that has absolutely no clue about working toward a goal because they've always got what they wanted when they wanted.

     

    I am much more impressed by millennials than I am my generation -- Gen X.  I imagine you are Gen X as well.  Gen X has been the ultimate generation of incompetence.  Our parent are still running things for the most part, and the next generation to run things will be the millennials.  Sad but true.  Gen X is going to push things backwards before the millennials come of age to fix it. 

    There are people in this group that would find fault with a birthday cake. 

    Nothing will ever work, and all is doom and gloom. Torrii  is a racist and homophobe. blah blah blah

    I doubt that I am the only one who gets a little tired of these unforgiving negative types. They are tiresome and always unfair. 

     

    For the record, I heard from a former Twin who was there that the scuffle between Justin and Torrii was "no big deal." A Twin told me this.  So drop it already. Things like that happen on every team. . 

     

    These three guys are leaders, and that is something the Twins desperately need.  This is not a spring training deal. These guys will be around the club a lot. They will be like extra coaches.  And will teach the young guys how to act.

     

    Those who carp that these guys never won a world series show their ignorance. Yeah, neither did Ted Williams. So he must have sucked right? Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. Like I said, unfair. 

     

    When you win a championship it takes the entire team, and a lot of luck. But it starts with a winning attitude. And that, more than any other trait, is what haters lack.So its no wonder that they criticize this move. They just don't understand how important a good attitude is.

     

    There are people in this group that would find fault with a birthday cake. 

    Nothing will ever work, and all is doom and gloom. Torrii  is a racist and homophobe. blah blah blah

    I doubt that I am the only one who gets a little tired of these unforgiving negative types. They are tiresome and always unfair. 

     

    For the record, I heard from a former Twin who was there that the scuffle between Justin and Torrii was "no big deal." A Twin told me this.  So drop it already. Things like that happen on every team. . 

     

    These three guys are leaders, and that is something the Twins desperately need.  This is not a spring training deal. These guys will be around the club a lot. They will be like extra coaches.  And will teach the young guys how to act.

     

    Those who carp that these guys never won a world series show their ignorance. Yeah, neither did Ted Williams. So he must have sucked right? Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. Like I said, unfair. 

     

    When you win a championship it takes the entire team, and a lot of luck. But it starts with a winning attitude. And that, more than any other trait, is what haters lack.So its no wonder that they criticize this move. They just don't understand how important a good attitude is.

     

    Just to be clear......Torii has been very clear in his statements about gays and "black" Latins.....this isn't something people are making up. For some people, that's an issue. For others, it isn't. 

     

    As for your ad hominen attack...well, sorry you feel that way.

    There are people in this group that would find fault with a birthday cake.

    Nothing will ever work, and all is doom and gloom. Torrii is a racist and homophobe. blah blah blah

    I doubt that I am the only one who gets a little tired of these unforgiving negative types. They are tiresome and always unfair.

     

    For the record, I heard from a former Twin who was there that the scuffle between Justin and Torrii was "no big deal." A Twin told me this. So drop it already. Things like that happen on every team. .

     

    These three guys are leaders, and that is something the Twins desperately need. This is not a spring training deal. These guys will be around the club a lot. They will be like extra coaches. And will teach the young guys how to act.

     

    Those who carp that these guys never won a world series show their ignorance. Yeah, neither did Ted Williams. So he must have sucked right? Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. Like I said, unfair.

     

    When you win a championship it takes the entire team, and a lot of luck. But it starts with a winning attitude. And that, more than any other trait, is what haters lack.So its no wonder that they criticize this move. They just don't understand how important a good attitude is.

    For a post decrying negativity and fault finding, your post sure has a lot of negativity and fault finding.

    Nope, just holding up a mirror to the haters. Some of you will see yourselves differently. Those who don't see yourselves are probably vampires.

     

    I am in favor of the additions because they are all positive influences. 

    Winning starts with a positive mental attitude.

     

    And it is not unfair to point out that critics are, well, critical. 

    Edited by kellyvance

     

    For a post decrying negativity and fault finding, your post sure has a lot of negativity and fault finding.

     

    Well we can end this right now.  Everything is my fault.  All of it!  Whatever anyone did or did not do is all on me. 

     

    I apologize for my transgressions and hope you all have it in your hearts to forgive me.

    Now we can move on. 

    :D

     

     

     

     

     

    For the record, I heard from a former Twin who was there that the scuffle between Justin and Torrii was "no big deal." A Twin told me this.  

     

    Unless names are named and admit that they said this, then it is off the record and not on the record...

    So name names and have them admit to it, otherwise...

     

    just setting the record straight

    Unless names are named and admit that they said this, then it is off the record and not on the record...

    So name names and have them admit to it, otherwise...

     

     

    You don't name names unless you have permission from the guy you quote. Ask any reporter who quotes an "unnamed source." But you can take my word for it. And my word has been good enough for judges in six states, as well as a couple of governors and congressmen, who have consulted me.over the past 30 years or so. . . Edited by ChiTownTwinsFan

    Nope, just holding up a mirror to the haters. Some of you will see yourselves differently. Those who don't see yourselves are probably vampires.

     

    I am in favor of the additions because they are all positive influences.

    Winning starts with a positive mental attitude.

     

    And it is not unfair to point out that critics are, well, critical.

    So because you are in favor of the moves that means that anyone who isn't is a "hater"?

     

    I mean, I'm in favor of the moves as well, but I don't feel my opinion on it is superior to those who disagree.

    Nope, just holding up a mirror to the haters. Some of you will see yourselves differently. Those who don't see yourselves are probably vampires.

     

    I am in favor of the additions because they are all positive influences.

    Winning starts with a positive mental attitude.

     

    And it is not unfair to point out that critics are, well, critical.

    On this site, there is at least one whole thread dedicated to slamming 'negative' people. One is called 'Negativity'. Its in the forum titled 'Questions about Minncentric'. Your posts today, in this thread, would be perfect in there. Edited by jimmer

     

    Sure.

    Thought is the operative word here (other than the fact that LNP was punched, before Mornaeu would beat the * out of Hunter)

     

    Fact:  Who was the MVP between those two?

    Fact:  Who left the Twins for more $, after they made him a reasonable offer?

     

    Fact: You spelled Morneau wrong.

    Fact: It's unreasonable to consider it unreasonable to leave for more money.




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