Article: Don't Forget Dozier

[ThePuck]

Over a large enough sample, that is the predicate.

 

I admit, 300 innings is a small sample. But if you're going to dismiss those 300 then you can neither conclude that Florimon has limited range.

 

The principle is sound though.

 

I appreciate the effort you put into your given, but the info I showed above kind of hurts that given. And the guys I used finished 3-6 in innings played at shortstop, so it's a strong sample size.

 

In any event, if your given was true...that if spread out far enough everyone would have the same amount of balls in zone and the same of plays made on them....then their RZRs would be the same...since RZR is the average. If your given was true, they wouldn't even use the RZR, it'd be meaningless.

[Montecore]

Over a large enough sample, that is the predicate.

 

I admit, 300 innings is a small sample. But if you're going to dismiss those 300 then you can neither conclude that Florimon has limited range.

 

The principle is sound though.

 

I appreciate the effort you put into your given, but the info I showed above kind of hurts that given. And the guys I used finished 3-6 in innings played at shortstop, so it's a strong sample size.

 

In any event, if your given was true...that if spread out far enough everyone would have the same amount of balls in zone and the same of plays made on them....then their Rherwould be the same...since RZR is the average. If your given was true, they wouldn't even use the RZR, it'd be meaningless.

 

They're likely to lose 90 plus again. There's gotta be somebody other than Dozier or Florimon.

[Willihammer]

that if spread out far enough everyone would have the same amount of balls in zone and the same of plays made on them

 

That is not the assumption. The assumption is only the first part, that BIZ will normalize over a large enough sample, not that all defenders would make the same number of plays.

 

3 years of full time duty is an often sited figure for when defensive metrics start to become meaningful. So a .757 RZR after two months of play is no more an indication that his range is weak, than his high proportion of OOZ plays is an indication that his range is actually strong. That is all the point I'm making.

[ThePuck]

That is not the assumption. The assumption is only the first part, that BIZ will normalize over a large enough sample, not that all defenders would make the same number of plays.

 

 

But you wrote: 'It is given that over a large enough sample, all defenders field virtually the same number and type of batted balls to their zone'

 

I interpreted 'field' as making plays. As in he fielded the ball. Was that a bad interpretation?

[Willihammer]

I apologize for the confusion. I meant field in the sense that "Jr fielded 10 questions, and answered 7 of them."

[ThePuck]

I apologize for the confusion. I meant field in the sense that "Jr fielded 10 questions, and answered 7 of them."

 

Ah...well that kind of negates the whole debate doesn't it :-)

[Twins GFP]

Dozier who?

 

Does anybody really think he has a chance to make the roster out of ST given he wasn't even called back up in September?

[ThePuck]

Dozier who?

 

Does anybody really think he has a chance to make the roster out of ST given he wasn't even called back up in September?

 

I hope so