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Commenting again on something you never read. Can't say I'm surprised

I don't buy this for a second. I highlighted a whole bunch of different events where racism was charged. You could very easily dismantle what I said if what I said wasn't true. The challenge that you guys have is that what I said was impossible for you to disapprove. What is the purpose of this thread? Are we supposed to wait in line to denounce racism every time a claim of racism gets made? I'm not a puppet so you can count me out Beyond that I have no idea what you guys think you've accomplished here

Earlier in this thread, I spoke in very clear terms about seven or eight high profile claims of racism and I summarized each one. If you feel any of that misrepresented the truth then by all means show me where and we can take it from there. I invite anyone to go back a couple of pages to see my big post from (I think) April 14th and take five minutes to read it. You will not flnd anything deflective or anything lacking authenticity. It is largely based off events that happened and the facts are there for us to discuss. Funny how this thread was popping for well over a week and then that post ended this thread for a couple of weeks. Not one person had the courage to question what I said. I think the underlined part isn't how you feel at all. You struggle with me for other reasons (i.e. you don't like what I say and cannot disprove what I say)

An overreaction in the comment the woman made to her daughter. The part about "and they do it to this day" Honestly?

I was reading the article about this incident. Parents pulled kids out of school. On parent explained to her daughter, "They hang black people with those and the do it to this day" Seems like an overreaction to me

For the last time, you are WRONG. No amount hyperbole or cries of RACISM! can mask the fact that the above statement is factually incorrect When you have to do stuff like this it indicates that you have no confidence in the truth being enough to buttress your argument

I don't ignore it. I just don't buy the whole package of goods these woke dudes tried to sell everyone. I already talked about this a month ago on the page before and no one could respond to it: Colin Kaepernick wanted everyone to listen about the issue of race and his entire focus was on police brutality. He had the floor to expand on it (and still does) but he said his thing and has gone mute. Be that as it may, while the protest was getting nonstop national attention from the media, FBI data quietly revealed the racial breakdown of homicide offenders in 2016 to be 6,095 blacks for and 5,004 whites (https://ucr.fbi.gov/...ata-table-2.xls) despite the fact that blacks comprise about 12% of the population. This got ZERO play from the mainstream media and the woke sports outlets that discussed the issue nonstop didn't dare touch it. Yet Kaepernick's "bodies in the streets" statement got tons of play. If he wanted to, Kaepernick or other outspoken NFL players could familiarized himself with the numbers the FBI presented and acknowledged the problem goes beyond just the police. It never happened because they don't listen. Kaepernick could have gone on a run with San Francisco police to meet them half way and calm things down (and perhaps work in cooperation with them), but he refused. He wouldn't listen. in spite of what anyone might say, the disproportionate homicide figures supplied by FBI data show police must apprehend more black offenders committing homicide/manslaughter than any other race. This is a statement of fact and it is a piece to the puzzle in the discussion that Kaepernick started..It is information that can contribute to the dialogue, but no...we can't go there. They just won't hear it. The data somehow implies racism. And yet Kaepernick was able start an aggressive, accusatory campaign directed toward the police because he wanted to "bring attention to the issue of police brutality" .He became a symbol for "wokeness" with his anti-police rhetoric. He sure woke me up on the issue. In all my research, another thing never discussed, is that according to an article published by the NY Post police are 18.5 times more likely to be murdered by a black assailant. This statistic is buried in the "you can never see this file".(https://nypost.com/2...lack-homicides/) I will do more research into Heather MacDonald (the person who brought this information forward) But I am curious. Where is any further research/analysis on that figure? I would like to see more research on who kills cops. If those numbers are even halfway representative of reality then why shouldn't it get as much attention in the national media as what Kaerpernck got?? I would welcome anyone to find any further information on that data. It didn't help that another a woke dude, Michael Bennett LIED about his interaction with the police in the midst of all this. I am far from ignoring woke athletes and their narrative. When you guys talk about "white privilege" I personally have no idea what you are talking about. My only responsibility is to treat others how I want to be treated and to respect the truth. This woke movement in sports has played fast and loose with the truth. There is their truth and THE TRUTH and their truth only occasionally intersects with THE TRUTH

The fan told him to: "....get on his knees like he's always been" Westbrook called the insult he reacted to "racist" That is an insult, but it is an attack on his manhood. They guy was telling him to go blow someone.

NO, I don't mean people "who took the government by force at the end of a gun". I clarified EXACTLY where your error was in my last post. You confused because you don't read. AGAIN.....You are talking about the Bundy's who pressed the issue after the Hammonds told them they did not want their support. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oregon-ranchers-reject-cliven-bundy-family-occupation/ Wrong again, Leviathan Stop acting like you meant to say what you said. You made a mistake and as usual you simply cannot cop to it.

Honestly. You ought to look up the definition of treason and then refresh yourself on what went down. As is the case with several of our other interactions you don't have your facts straight, yet you speak broadly and boldly. Trump pardoned the Hammonds and they were sentenced for arson. They had nothing to do with the subsequent protest in the wildlife refuge that followed their sentencing. That is what you are haphazardly referencing. Don't make me post articles. For God's sake could you just once pause and read a couple of sources to be sure before you pipe in with TREASON. Who the heck are you talking about? You aren't talking about the guys who Trump pardoned and if you are talking about the Hammonds freakin explain how what they did was treasonous. I think you are talking about the activists. PLEASE, go back check and save yourself the trouble of me having to post articles. If we are going to be honest and accurate you are going to need to do some research before you shoot from the hip

You are confused

TREASON? Was that what these guys were convicted of?

How is his pardoning these people "racist"?

If I suggested "people of color should support him" it would be only through manner in which you interpreted my words. When I mentioned the notable decrease in unemployment and incarceration of blacks I mentioned it to contrast what was said about blacks being "marginalized" What the heck is important? The idea that calling out a group of athletes protesting during the Anthem is racist really troubles me. If they were white he'd have probably said the same damn thing. If you think he wouldn't have then you haven't been paying attention. I'm so sick and tired of the "THAT'S RACIST!" garbage that so liberally flies around these days. All it does is waste energy when you start looking for racism in everything. Russell Westbrook and that whole thing was completely ridiculous. The fan was an idiot but what Westbrook cited as being racist was truly pathetic. Some people are just dying to scream RACISM!! and it needs to be walked back in a big way. And who conscripted people like LeBron, Beyoncé, Sharpton, Spike Lee and other SJW athletes, entertainers and public figures to be spokespeople for the black race? Moreover, when did white liberals become the arbiters of what blacks should and shouldn't feel?

I covered a lot of stuff there and it had to do with "paying attention" to what social justice black athletes are saying. I cite a lot of examples and you "disagreed with much of it" Pick two things I mentioned where I mischaracterized or misrepresented something. I'm all for hearing about it from you

SABR. I made a huge post in this thread like 4 weeks ago and it was untouched. Look back and find it. It was a response the Kyle Korver manifesto you applauded

. Actually I posted quite a bit about that here and no one came back for weeks

Under his administration we have the lowest unemployment rate among blacks we've ever seen and over the last two years the incarceration rate of blacks has gone down. He "marginalized" football players who decided they had to kneel during the National Anthem. They actually did not have a constitutional protection to do so. Not when they are under contract and on the clock. The NFL was very much tied into patriotism and it was marketed as such. My guess is that players who attend consider visiting the White House is an honor and not everyone views the president the same way.

This is something to take on locally. By the way, I don't agree with you on cutting funding. At least not in my neck of the woods. A town not far from me purged the police department and now it is the jurisdiction of the country. The town supervisor made a lot of people angry. Depends on where you live. I guess cops are bashing in skulls left and right where you are. That isn't happening here

What are you rebeling against? Just "the police"?

I have my own ideas, but since you brought it up you ought to explain what it means to you. If you are asking me to explain it to you then you are going to have to say please because you haven't been very nice

You're serious! Nowhere do you explain what "pressure the courts" or "press for legislation" entails For the forth time: "what methods do you suggest people use to "pressure the courts" and "press for legislation"? (to help you along I underlined the crucial part of the question you have yet to answer) I will also add.....HOW do you "hold officials accountable"? (if you can't explain the HOW part of the question then this question awaits an answer as well no matter how many times repeat "hold officials accountable)

The first underlined section: Over the last several years there has been no shortage of viral videos that inflame tensions for exactly that reason. Right or wrong they have become relevant because 1) enough people watch them and 2) people react to them. This isn't something the public needs to be "more aware of" for that reason alone. The second underlined section: Who are these "community leaders" and shouldn't they be held to more scrutiny as well?

Thank you for clarifying. I would say in the case of Philando Casille it was relevant to a lot of people when his girlfriend posted it to Facebook. That particular video was not relevant to me (or Leviathan presumably), but to lots of people it was.

Jesus For the sake of everyone else here I will concede this to you. Viral videos from YouTube or Facebook. are worthless. You still dodged my questions and it makes me wonder if you even have an answer. I will try again (for the third time): "what methods do you suggest people use to "pressure the courts" and "press for legislation"? Actually explain it in your own words