FargoFanMan

That’s probably not the case either though. You don’t think a myriad of officials aren’t involved in making those decisions? We’re talking about a professional sports business with tons of people in every department. Nothing is decided by one guy ever. Does he deserve to be fired? Probably not but the manager is the first fall guy if the debacle continues. https://www.mlb.com/twins/team/front-office

A manager losing or losing the team doesn’t matter. They’re not players. There’s so much more than what you describe about Tingler. Joe Torre was fired by 3 teams before his Yankees run. Terry Francona was terrible for the Phillies before leading Boston to their 1st championships in years. Dusty Baker was fired from numerous teams before his Astros run. Tony Larussa was fired before Oakland and St. Louis. Bobby Cox was fired by the Braves in the early 80’s only to come back and become their all time winning manager. Doesn’t matter if they lost somewhere else. Maybe Tingler takes over and they win the World Series. Nobody knows. Joe Maddon was seen as a brilliant manager. Fired after like a year and a half with the angels. It literally doesn’t matter. The question is does the team respond?

Baseball is different than those leagues. If they spent $700M on Juan Soto would we be looking at a different result? Maybe, but probably not. Spending money buys you aging talent. This team has talent. They just haven’t used it. They just don’t have the other intangibles and they don’t do the fundamentals right among many other things. Buxton and Correa can’t carry a baseball team when so many other things are going wrong. Not that they’re helping but it’s apples and oranges as far as “spending money” goes.

To say the very least! Lol

Try to tell that to Aaron Gleeman.

Well, he’s a former player who has been in the league since he was like 21-22. I’m positive he is highly respected around the league which is why he got the job in the first place. If he gets fired he’ll absolutely catch on as a coach somewhere next year and maybe in a few years be up for a manager position. It happens to lots of managers. He’s not completely inept no matter what people here think. He’s a good baseball guy. Just maybe not for this team.

The manager may “help” in development but that’s the different coaches jobs. Hence the hitting coach, pitching coach, IF coach and OF coach and the numerous other staff. The managers job is to manage the team he is given. By the time these guys get to MLB they are sufficiently MLB developed. From there it is up to them and the coaches to further develop the players. Not the manager. It’s not his primary job to develop.

It’s not his job to develop players. Pretty sure there’s coaches for that. His primary responsibility is to put players in positions to succeed which leads to winning games.

Irrelevant whether they spend money or not. Those are both salary cap leagues. It’s not baldelli’s fault but at this point you have to send a message and maybe salvage the poor start. It won’t be players, FO or ownership so that leaves one guy.

This is always a fun topic but it’s just that. Baseball has gotten better at evaluating future projected talent but it’s still a bit of a crapshoot after a few rounds. Always will be. Still fun though.

No fire and no killer instinct.

Despite all the numbers and analytics and matchups I guess it still matters to have strong fundamentals and play the game hard. Weird. I guess what’s worked for over 100 years is still relevant in this modern game? Crazy!

The only thing I will ever blame on Rocco is simply not having enough fire. Challenging umpires and certain calls may not accomplish much but in a way it accomplishes so much from a team mentality aspect. That’s one thing a manager can do. He seems to have become ho-hum in his approach the last few years and while that keeps the team on an even keel it certainly doesn’t fire them up. This team never really seems too fired up and that seems to be a problem. They have no passion it seems.

Because despite talent this team does all the little things wrong. They play the game within a game wrong. They give away outs. They give away opportunities. They don’t take away outs or take opportunities when presented.

I tend to agree. But damn I just can’t see it right now. I usually subscribe to the model you played out. The season is long and all it takes is a really good week and they’re right there again. The problem is that right now I just don’t see it. No guy coming back is gonna jolt this offense. It’s gonna have to come from within. That means more than one guy at a time getting hot. That means if the offense starts heating up the bullpen doesn’t completely fall apart. If the bullpen and offense do good we don’t have multiple bad starts. It all needs to click at the same time. Right now I see glimpses especially with Buxton heating up but it’s a pin hole I’m looking through and not a knot hole.

Well, if anything they’re consistent.

Hopefully he really gets this offense jump started and helps them improve their hitting with RISP! I can imagine we’re looking at a future star 1Bman that can deliver multiple seasons of solid D and 125 OPS+ seasons. Probably gonna compete for a few top 5 MVP seasons in there and have his number retired in target field. Am I close or way off in my assessment here? 😅

I agree that the OF should be Erod/buxton/ Jenkins. The problem is they seem to not be planning or even caring about how this roster develops by continuing to sign a low level 1B and not develop one of these OFers into 1Bmen. This roster is very poorly constructed and they don’t seem to care. The infield and outfield are mostly constructed of bat first guys and yet the offense continually struggles culminating in a bad offense and an even worse defense. BTW, who is this Eeles guy I keep hearing about here yet he doesn’t show up on any top 20 lists or minor league box scores? Miranda and Julian bring you nothing. They are both part of the problem. Bat first guys who struggle defensively and aren’t hitting. A badly constructed roster and a team with no fire.

It seems like the same team, same situation, same start, same inabilities, same excuses because it’s all the same. Plain and simple. What’s changed? Nothing. This FO had the opportunity to change things fall in their lap last year. They did nothing. So what was everyone to expect? Their shakeup was rehiring someone who was apart of developing the same hitters in the minors that are underperforming in the majors. Doesn’t seem like a shakeup. Seems like doubling down. Same team, same coaches, same hitting approaches, same slow start, same inability to just put the ball in play with RISP, same excuses of it’s early yet and tough injuries to start the year. We hear it every year cause nothing changed. Twins fans got duped and maybe we duped ourselves expecting something different.

And????

This!!! This offense was never expected to be great. This team is supposed to be a strong pitching team. The starters have been competent. The bullpen has been talked about as a top 3 in the mlb 2 years in a row and it hasn’t been that. At least early in the last 2 years helping lead to these miserable starts.

If this continues until the end of July expect a massive shakeup. The FO will be forced to gear up for 2026 or it will ultimately be on the chopping block. Falvey will have to try to sell the 2026 team to new ownership to keep his job. He won’t be able to run it all back and if this continues into July he’s probably interviewing new managers and staff as well. Expect big things come July. Whether they turn this around or continue Falvey has to make big moves by that point or new ownership will be wondering if they should keep him as well.

Idk how they get there, that is filling these holes, but they need to figure out how they are gonna build this roster next year. Too many guys not performing and the young guys are coming. Their 2 big prospects both play outfield. 5 guys and maybe 6 if you put Keaschall in there and only 3 spots. 4 if you include the DH spot. It’s great having versatility but it’s leading to a terrible defensive team. They’re out of sorts and I’m not sure how you fix it at this point.

Unless this turns around and turns around fast I think that’s what we’re looking at. Unload all impending FA’s at the deadline for what you can get. Castro might bring you something decent out of those guys. Then one of Ober or Ryan will bring you in the elite bat this team will need going forward. Teams at the deadline will be willing to give up good talent for those guys. If this is to work out though and you’re not getting rid of Wallner or Larnach one of those guys needs to go to 1B. Erod and Jenkins are not playing 1B. And unless you’re gonna move Lewis there I don’t know how it all works out. If this continues buckle up. Could be a wild deadline after years of nothing at the end of July.

Ding ding ding! This all goes back to a debate I had a few months ago with someone in here. Payroll in most cases should be achieved by successfull development. Outright buying players should be used to supplement a strong team not to build it. The best teams have always, always, always supplemented with FA. Not built them because of it. Juan Soto/judge. Soto/Alonso. Payroll and spending are the chicken and not the egg. The angels were the prime example of this for years. You can have the best 2 players on earth but if you have nothing around them you have nothing. Young inexpensive players that are good will always be more valuable than good aging expensive players. That’s why I can’t understand why people want a salary cap and floor. You don’t want aging expensive players because those contracts turn into pumpkins 9 times out of ten by the end. The best yankee teams were built from within. The Astros were built from within. The dodgers dynasty started from within. They are still at the top every year in developing young talent. The orioles have been built from within. That’s what you want. Good young talent has upside. Aging expensive talent does not. Baseball is a business and MLB owners want a cap cause they don’t want to pay $500M for a player. The MLBPA wants a floor so that they can get players guaranteed money from a guaranteed pool of money. Buying FA’s is what should be done to supplement a roster and extend a window. Not how you should build a team. You want teams that can’t compete to do bad. That’s how they build the next exciting team. They’re not “tanking”. They’re trying to build out a roster for the future. A young roster. Why? Because young talent is cheaper, more exciting and has more upside then a roster built of aging , expensive players with massive downside. The Twins made a mistake when they thought they should supplement this core with Correa. Not because they signed Correa but because that core wasn’t as good as they perceived. They’re now stuck with Correa and Buxton and have to supplement them with a new core. Do they double down or do they retool? They can’t buy their way out of this at this point. They need to develop their way out.