This sounds great until you watch a game and see a manager make a move that you and everyone else watching the game simultaneously scratches their heads... and it predictably fails (see multiple moves in ALDS 2004 Game 2 as prime examples). Now I'm not one to say that the right moves would have for certain won that game, as we cannot know, but what Gardenhire did in that game (and in many others) is not put the team in the best position to win the game. This is probably the biggest area that most people get frustrated about Gardy. He doesn't put his team in the best position to win games far more often than we'd like, and to make it worse, he overmanages games against the AL east because of whatever inferiority complex he has. The other problem is that I see no learning going on. The Twins have been blessed to have 2 every day players for a few years now that can OBP around .400 if things are going well. He leads off with Span, and then drops a black hole in the number 2 spot before Mauer. The one time Mauer did bat second, we were scoring somewhere between 5 and 6 runs a game, yet Gardenhire inexplicably stopped doing it. The same can be said for his treatment of younger players/favorites, pitch counts, the pen, etc. I do realize that some of these traits tend to lead to successes in other areas (like the club house motiviation issues that we in the sabermetric world tend to denigrate), but I'd think at one point, he'd adjust his game just a bit.... That said, I'm not sure I agree that it's only worth a game or two... If everyone is making the same mistakes, it's only a matter of time until a manager rises to the top and wins an extra 6 games due to good coaching...