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http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2012-roster.shtml?sr&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#payroll::8 I couldn't get the table too paste with just 2013 salary.

I was using baseball-reference's payroll tool. It gives a rough estimate using 3 year averages. Going back and lookingnat the players, it will not be $20 M. Casilla and Duensing will get the biggest amounts, Burton will get a contract and Burroughs will be released. I will amend that to $5 M, putting payroll down around $76.5 M. I threw this together quickly last night and didn't check the actual arb. eiligible players. That being said, with this new $76.5 M number I think the team exercises Capps option because he's a guy who "battles his tail off", plus I missed Gray probably not getting offered arbitration. That puts total payroll around $82 M, leaving $18 M to get to $100 M. This assumes no qualifying offers to Pavano and Liriano, because that would screw things up if either accepted, and no trades this season. I apologize for not doing my full homework on this assignment.

There have been alot of posts on here about all the money coming off the books next year. Let's take a look at the real numbers, as I have done on a couple off occassions this year. The team currently has 8 players under contract for next year and they will earn $63.8 M The team team has 4 arbitration eligible players that are estimated to receive $20 M. We are at 12 players and $83.8 M. The team has 2 players, Matt Capps and Scott Baker, with team options totalling $15.25 M. The smart thing to do would be to decline these, meaning we need to fill 13 spots. Using players that are in the system at the pre-arbitration average we get $9.43 M. We are at 25 players and $93.2 M. The team loses Pavano, Liriano, Doumit & Marquis (already DFA'd). Declining the Capps and Baker options means the team needs 3 SP's, a closer, and a DH/C. Remember also that Blackburn receives (not earns) $5.5 M and Nishioka $3 M. Removing Burroughs, Thomas and Hughes frees up about $1.6 M, pushing payroll back to about $91.6 M. I can see the logic that people are using to dream about Greinke, Hamels, Sanchez, etc... but unless payroll goes up to $120 M - $125 M, I only see about $8.4 M to sign FA's. Beginning to look like they are "Target"ing 2014 when estimated payroll drops to about $75 M, but Morneau, Blackburn, Nishioka, Casilla and Carroll become free agents. EDIT: I used Baseball-Reference's payroll tool. It estimated the Twins arbitration total at $20 M using 3 year averages. However, Casilla, Duensing, Burton and Burroughs will not get $20 M, closer to $6M. Also I missed Gray being arb. eligible and he probably won't get an offer. These new numbers make me feel that the team picks up Capps $6 M option, putting payroll around $82 M, which leaves $18 M to get to $100 M. I apologize for not being thorough the first time through.

There have been alot of posts on here about all the money coming off the books next year. Let's take a look at the real numbers, as I have done on a couple off occassions this year. The team currently has 8 players under contract for next year and they will earn $63.8 M The team team has 4 arbitration eligible players that are estimated to receive $20 M. We are at 12 players and $83.8 M. The team has 2 players, Matt Capps and Scott Baker, with team options totalling $15.25 M. The smart thing to do would be to decline these, meaning we need to fill 13 spots. Using players that are in the system at the pre-arbitration average we get $9.43 M. We are at 25 players and $93.2 M. The team loses Pavano, Liriano, Doumit & Marquis (already DFA'd). Declining the Capps and Baker options means the team needs 3 SP's, a closer, and a DH/C. Remember also that Blackburn receives (not earns) $5.5 M and Nishioka $3 M. Removing Burroughs, Thomas and Hughes frees up about $1.6 M, pushing payroll back to about $91.6 M. I can see the logic that people are using to dream about Greinke, Hamels, Sanchez, etc... but unless payroll goes up to $120 M - $125 M, I only see about $8.4 M to sign FA's. Beginning to look like they are "Target"ing 2014 when estimated payroll drops to about $75 M, but Morneau, Blackburn, Nishioka, Casilla and Carroll become free agents. EDIT: I used Baseball-Reference's payroll tool. It estimated the Twins arbitration total at $20 M using 3 year averages. However, Casilla, Duensing, Burton and Burroughs will not get $20 M, closer to $6M. Also I missed Gray being arb. eligible and he probably won't get an offer. These new numbers make me feel that the team picks up Capps $6 M option, putting payroll around $82 M, which leaves $18 M to get to $100 M. I apologize for not being thorough the first time through.

The team has 8 signed players, 2 players with options, 4 arbitration eligible players & 3 free agents. Barring any trades this season, declining the 2 options (Baker & Capps), and offering arbitration to the 4 eligibles, they have 12 players at roughly $83M. If they fill with pre-arb players from the system, they are sitting at roughly $92.5M. The point of this is that payroll needs to go up or we watch Losing v.3.0, only without Pavano, Capps, Doumit, & Liriano

Figured I would update the slash lines I started last week so as to get a picture of where our 2012 Minnesota Twins are sitting compared to the rest of the American League. Interesting to note with all the different line-ups that certain positions in the field and certain spots in line-up perform the same, good or bad, no matter who is in there. Anyway, here are this weeks updated slash lines: C - .284/.371/.358 .729 (6) 1B - .206/.286/.352 .638 (11) 2B - .231/.280/.288 .568 (12) 3B - .207/.254/.299 .553 (12) SS - .230/.291/.303 .594 (10) LF - .281/.385/.519 .904 (2) CF - .274/.332/.347 .679 (9) RF - .185/.263/.309 .571 (14) DH - .291/.392/.595 .987 (1) PH - .286/.385/.476 .861 (2) Overall - .244/.319/.372 .691 (11) 1 - .283/.340/.361 .701 (6) 2 - .204/.284/.282 .565 (12) 3 - .292/.402/.405 .807 (6) 4 - .224/.332/.418 .750 (8) 5 - .304/.396/.652 1.048 (1) 6 - .201/.247/.293 .540 (14) 7 - .217/.281/.335 .616 (12) 8 - .214/.272/.289 .561 (11) 9 - .253/.304/.331 .635 (6) SP - 1.57 WHIP (14) 1.94 K/BB (10) 5.16 K/9 (14) .912 OPS (14) 10-25 6.49 ERA (14) RP - 1.16 WHIP (4) 2.47 K/BB (8) 6.45 K/9 (14) .663 OPS (6) 5-5 3.95 ERA (10) Overall - 1.41 WHIP (12) 2.15 K/BB (9) 5.67 K/9 (14) .818 OPS (14) 15-30 5.49 ERA (14) Any and all comments appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Figured I would update the slash lines I started last week so as to get a picture of where our 2012 Minnesota Twins are sitting compared to the rest of the American League. Interesting to note with all the different line-ups that certain positions in the field and certain spots in line-up perform the same, good or bad, no matter who is in there. Anyway, here are this weeks updated slash lines: C - .284/.371/.358 .729 (6) 1B - .206/.286/.352 .638 (11) 2B - .231/.280/.288 .568 (12) 3B - .207/.254/.299 .553 (12) SS - .230/.291/.303 .594 (10) LF - .281/.385/.519 .904 (2) CF - .274/.332/.347 .679 (9) RF - .185/.263/.309 .571 (14) DH - .291/.392/.595 .987 (1) PH - .286/.385/.476 .861 (2) Overall - .244/.319/.372 .691 (11) 1 - .283/.340/.361 .701 (6) 2 - .204/.284/.282 .565 (12) 3 - .292/.402/.405 .807 (6) 4 - .224/.332/.418 .750 (8) 5 - .304/.396/.652 1.048 (1) 6 - .201/.247/.293 .540 (14) 7 - .217/.281/.335 .616 (12) 8 - .214/.272/.289 .561 (11) 9 - .253/.304/.331 .635 (6) SP - 1.57 WHIP (14) 1.94 K/BB (10) 5.16 K/9 (14) .912 OPS (14) 10-25 6.49 ERA (14) RP - 1.16 WHIP (4) 2.47 K/BB (8) 6.45 K/9 (14) .663 OPS (6) 5-5 3.95 ERA (10) Overall - 1.41 WHIP (12) 2.15 K/BB (9) 5.67 K/9 (14) .818 OPS (14) 15-30 5.49 ERA (14) Any and all comments appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Figured I would give this blog thing a try! First of all, I like most of you, am a fan of baseball and the Twins in particular. It has been interesting reading some of the posts on here as to how to fix the team. I will offer no theories but instead will post some statistics using what have become the standard measuring tools - AVG/OBP/SLG & OPS for batters and WHIP, K/BB, K/9 & OPS against for pitchers. I will also note the Twins ranks among the AL teams. And now, your 2012 Twins stats and rankings: C - .264/.342/.336 .677 (9) 1B - .204/.283/.303 .586 (13) 2B - .242/.296/.295 .591 (11) 3B - .172/.214/.255 .469 (13) SS - .234/.306/.312 .618 (9) LF - .309/.413/.581 .993 (1) CF - .278/.337/.340 .677 (11) RF - .188/.263/.312 .575 (14) DH - .288/.392/.591 .983 (2) PH - .353/.368/.588 .957 (2) Overall - .244/.318/.369 .687 (12) 1 - .288/.346/.356 .702 (7) 2 - .212/.289/.282 .571 (11) 3 - .276/.382/.379 .762 (10) 4 - .239/.335/.458 .793 (7) 5 - .309/.406/.640 1.046 (1) 6 - .204/.258/.299 .557 (13) 7 - .204/.275/.321 .596 (13) 8 - .216/.273/.295 .568 (11) 9 - .244/.285/.311 .596 (10) SP - 1.58 WHIP (14) 1.76 K/BB (14) 4.86 K/9 (14) .910 OPS (14) 9-21 6.48 ERA (14) RP - 1.10 WHIP (3) 2.34 K/BB (8) 6.01 K/9 (14) .624 OPS (2) 4-5 3.24 ERA (5) Overall - 1.39 WHIP (12) 1.98 K/BB (9) 5.31 K/9 (14) .804 OPS (14) 13-26 5.20 ERA (14) Any and all comments are appreciated

Figured I would give this blog thing a try! First of all, I like most of you, am a fan of baseball and the Twins in particular. It has been interesting reading some of the posts on here as to how to fix the team. I will offer no theories but instead will post some statistics using what have become the standard measuring tools - AVG/OBP/SLG & OPS for batters and WHIP, K/BB, K/9 & OPS against for pitchers. I will also note the Twins ranks among the AL teams. And now, your 2012 Twins stats and rankings: C - .264/.342/.336 .677 (9) 1B - .204/.283/.303 .586 (13) 2B - .242/.296/.295 .591 (11) 3B - .172/.214/.255 .469 (13) SS - .234/.306/.312 .618 (9) LF - .309/.413/.581 .993 (1) CF - .278/.337/.340 .677 (11) RF - .188/.263/.312 .575 (14) DH - .288/.392/.591 .983 (2) PH - .353/.368/.588 .957 (2) Overall - .244/.318/.369 .687 (12) 1 - .288/.346/.356 .702 (7) 2 - .212/.289/.282 .571 (11) 3 - .276/.382/.379 .762 (10) 4 - .239/.335/.458 .793 (7) 5 - .309/.406/.640 1.046 (1) 6 - .204/.258/.299 .557 (13) 7 - .204/.275/.321 .596 (13) 8 - .216/.273/.295 .568 (11) 9 - .244/.285/.311 .596 (10) SP - 1.58 WHIP (14) 1.76 K/BB (14) 4.86 K/9 (14) .910 OPS (14) 9-21 6.48 ERA (14) RP - 1.10 WHIP (3) 2.34 K/BB (8) 6.01 K/9 (14) .624 OPS (2) 4-5 3.24 ERA (5) Overall - 1.39 WHIP (12) 1.98 K/BB (9) 5.31 K/9 (14) .804 OPS (14) 13-26 5.20 ERA (14) Any and all comments are appreciated

He was going to get injured eventually. Better sooner than later. I would like to see Burnett, Oliveros and Doyle break with the team. Leaves us a little right hand heavy but the only real lefty option this year would be Dumatrait, lets see how he does at Rochester first. I don't believe in pitch to contact, I want power arms, those teams still pitch in October.