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  1. You've said multiple times, over multiple threads you have to pick a path now, it will be too late once you know what you have in Buxton/ Sano. From earlier this thread; I'd guess that once they "know" if Buxton and Sano are good, no 2.5 year elite player will be available in the time that they "know" that. So, you are then trading real assets for half a year, most likely, and we'll get to read about how that's a terrible idea. Which I know, because I've read that here over and over. EDIT: More... Either we believe in Sano and Buxton, or we don't. But if we wait for perfect information, it will be less likely to be successful, because we have not added talent around them. And if we to find out they are bad, and didn't trade Gibson at his peak, we lose value. So, pick a path that isn't the "play not to lose" path, that dooms mediocre teams to stay mediocre.
  2. For what it's worth, I think this is reasonable to want as well, I disagree but people are entitled to their opinion. What I haven't seen from anyone who wants to trade the farm for Realmuto is the plan to be competitive in 2019+2020 (his only 2 years of control), while remaining in reality (Machado is not signing here), or other than crossing your fingers Buxton and Sano are stars (which certainly doesn't look promising as we sit here today)
  3. I agree that is reasonable, and that's been my position all along. What I don't think is reasonable is suggesting people who have this stance don't want to improve the team through any measure, want to punt on 2019, never want to trade for or sign elite players, and other hyperbole you have thrown back as your retort.
  4. The front office has done 2 drafts, it's definitely too early to judge either, which is why it's odd you called them nowhere near the top 5. Early returns show the 2017 class a good chance to be pretty damn good.
  5. There's a tad bit of a difference on how much affect on an individual game a pitcher has vs a catcher, no? I have not seen one person say this, you have been putting words in peoples mouth during this entire debate.
  6. Sure there is relation to WAR and how players are valued, as there should be. I'm simply talking about the $$/War figure that gets thrown around like "each 1 point WAR is worth $10 million to a team". There is no relation to salaries and that number. Higher WAR players make more money than lower WAR players, but they don't negotiate off of the $10 million / WAR figure. Re: Character - see my earlier post regarding Ardolis Chapman. I don't really think there's much of a correlation, Dozier may be a great guy but it hasn't exactly translated to his team winning a bunch of games
  7. I was not commenting on what they may do over the next 20 games, I was only commenting that "playing .500 ball" is not "progress" in relation to chasing down Cle.
  8. They need to play at roughly a 102 win pace for the rest of the season to win 86 games which will catch Cleveland if Cle plays only .500 ball for the rest of the season. .500 ball over 20 games is semi meaningless
  9. I think you're misunderstanding his posts. The Dodgers played in Game 7 of the World Series last year, I'd say it worked out ok for them. Yes Dozier has been a superior player than Forsythe, but that likely wouldn't have mattered in game 7. Trading for Dozier may have very well cost them their all star 1st baseman as well, which may have had a more negative outcome on their season than the positives they would have seen from Dozier instead of Forsythe
  10. Sure its silly, but the Twins only have 2 weeks to decide whether to trade him, and they'll have to guess on whether he's worthy of a QO and what kind of pick they could expect if he turned it down.,
  11. Even Murphy came well short of the $50 million mark though. Zobrist had a down 2015, but had a pretty good postseason and the positional flexibility angle going for him. His career up to that point was better than Dozier’s too. Free agency has noticeably shifted recently and I don’t see any way team gives Dozier 4 years which is likely his only chance to get to $50
  12. Did you move Ben Zobrists salary to OF? He’s played more OF than 2B this year. The fact is there is little to no history of 2nd baseman signing big free agent deals. It’s Cano and that’s it
  13. Avg Salaries; Right Field $4,606,626 Left Field $4,316,160 Center Field $3,730,521 2nd Base $2,512,682 Also your wrong about top 15 2b making more than top 15 RF + CF... top 15 2b make about $178, RF $180, CF $183 https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/positional/
  14. What do Outfielders have to do with Dozier, is he moving positions? The whole reason he isn’t getting $50 is because teams don’t value 2b. As evidenced by the lack of interest in him when he was on the trade block 2 winters ago
  15. 22 catchers had a fangraphs WAR between 1.0 and 2.7 last year. The idea that this is the position this team HAS to fix - up to and including trading a talent like Lewis and/or Kiriloff makes zero sense to me. None
  16. What am I missing here? Did you not write they have very few holes but catcher? Have you not said they are wasting Buxton + Sano if they don't fix catcher? Did the other poster you defended in your last comment to me not call 2019 a waste without getting Realmuto? You said the option is that, or sign Ramos or Grandal? How about teams like the A's, Diamondbacks, Nats, Red Sox, Indians, Mariners, and Brewers all competing this season with catchers who have wRC+ below 80? How have they done it?
  17. Have you seen the bullpen? The idea that the Twins are "wasting 2019" by not getting either Realmuto, Ramos, or Grandal is beyond absurd. Since when did catcher become the position you have to have a top guy or you can't win?
  18. To get this all straight; Last season he Twins with a much worse pitching staff, a still green Buxton/Sano, who had up and down 2017 seasons, made the Wild Card with Jason Castro at Catcher. But IF Buxton and Sano make big strides in 2019 (with a much improved staff), the Twins will have "wasted 2019" because they didn't trade their top prospects for Realmuto. As for your other argument on getting a comp pick for Realmuto. I pray the Twins front office has more discipline than to think trading Royce Lewis away on a flier season will be ok either way because they can always get a comp pick back
  19. So in this scenario Manny Machado is basically going to have his choice of teams, and he's going to give the Minnesota Twins the exact number needed and allow them to make the final offer? And the MN Twins are going to outbid the Yankees, Dodgers, Phillies, etc?
  20. I agree with everything you have written, which makes me wonder why we are even having a conversation about trading for Realmuto when the team is 7 games under .500 and Buxton and Sano are in the minor leagues. I frankly at this point don't even know if there is enough time left in the season to get enough of a clue on Buxton/Sano and their likely 2019 production to make it worth even discussing a trade for Realmuto this winter...
  21. Yes typo on my end. Vargas was 22 in A, Midwest league, not A+ Florida State League. Kiriloff is now 20, in A+ If you don't have issues with his bat, why the asinine comparison to Vargas and his season in A ball?
  22. Kinsler got 5 years back when teams were fine paying players into their late 30s. Which has basically completely stopped. I would predict the absolute max amount of years Dozier will get to be 3, and I think its more likely he'd be taking a 1 or 2 year deal
  23. Vargas was in A+ from late July - end of season 2012, he was 22 nearly his whole time there. Kiriloff started at A+ as a 20.5 year old. That's a year and a half age difference, not as insignificant as you are trying to make it seem. Kiriloff also missed the entire 2017 season, making the numbers is he putting up all the more impressive.
  24. Heres the thing you're missing that myself and other posters have written. There is no reason to "pick a route" today. This season is very likely over. Sano/Buxton are in the minor leagues. You don't know what free agents you can potentially attract, who will be available in the trade market. Your asking to make a decision today on something that is incomplete, and I'll have a lot clearer view of in 4 months. If you want to know what I would do in July, it's trade Dozier, and others with value. Hope that Buxton / Sano show signs of life by end of season. And then find ways to maybe open a window next season
  25. Can you point to me a 2nd baseman who has received $50 million in free agency in the past 5 years? 10 years? Let alone one who has hit his 30s and coming off a down year. It's just not going to happen, and frankly it isn't likely to be close.
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