And KC was done in three years. I said consistently. They also traded, basically, Buxton or Sano as a prospect. Twins never do that either. As for Cleveland, it all came together. But it hasn't for Cincy, the As, Ray's, pirates, etc. Most of the cheap teams go years and years between being good. Most are never elite. If some fans are good with a decade or two between being really good, good for them.