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  1. Dman
    Yeah and he might be a bullpen arm in the end as well. Their system is a tough match for us I think. I like the Phillies system better for an Esco trade and I hope they offer something decent. For Dozier the return is hard to say. I would think the reason the Brewers would package the two is for the Twins to get a higher ranked guy and then lottery tickets.Probably depends on the market for both players to work.
  2. Dman
    I think that might actually be a little low for a return for both players. While Medeiros is having a good year this year be has had control problems and there are questions as to whether he can remain a starter or not. Gatewood doesn't seem to fit the new Twins bat first profile as he has a lot of contact issues and an OBP below 300. Their catcher Feliciano is only hitting a a buck 40 in high A. Granted he is only 19 but again he have plenty of catchers that cannot hit. While all the players you mention still have fairly high upside that upside comes with a bit more risk than I would want to take on if I were the FO. I think I would go for Marcos Diplan, Zach Brown and Carlos Rodriguez. Diplan and Brown are both AA pitchers with decent K9, WHIP and ERA numbers. Rodriguez is bat first lottery ticket.
  3. Dman
    I think the deadline.
  4. Dman
    Totally agree. If they were waiting for Larnach to show up so they could play together they have done that now so move him up. While I recognize stats in E-town mean very little I haven't seen anybody hit 400 there with a 500 OBP. Let this guy start seeing better breaking ball stuff and really see what kind of hitter he is. FWIW it looks like I will be eating my crow soon as I didn't like the Jeffers pick at all. Fangraphs seemed to be the only site that had him rated high enough to be taken where he was. I have to give credit to the Twins scouts and FO for this one as they took a risk but it looks like a good one. But please move him up, he does not seem challenged at the plate at all right now.
  5. Dman
    That i snot an exciting return at all. I guess they feel Wahl is gonna be good.
  6. Dman
    While I sympathize with your point I don't know that I completely understand where you are coming from. Trades are a big part of making teams better. One team is taking the short term upside the other the long term. Kansas City took a huge risk when trading with Tampa and it is that trade for pitching that really put them over the top. The Cubs made short and long term trades that took them to the World Series. Houston made lots of trades some for the future and some to get their World Series win most notably getting Verlander. So trades for the future most definitely do work. Not always, but there is risk in trading just as there is risk in not trading or having your young players not turn into star players. Most of the people on this board are only talking about trading players that will be free agents at the end of this year. A couple Odorizzi and Gibson have another year of control but either player being traded wouldn't mean the Twins would not be able to compete next year. I have seen a few posts recommending trading Buxton or Sano but you can't take those seriously. Also there seems to be a flaw in your thinking with Dozier and Escobar. Even if the Twins don't trade them they still might not be able to keep them because another team might offer more money or more years or both. Getting nothing for those players in a season where we have very little chance at the post season would be very poor team management if you ask me. There is no reason to blow this team up. As you said they are young and if a few players step up next year then this team will be just fine. Trading guys who will free agents at the end of the year is not blowing the team up just changing the window of contention. The Twins are getting closer to being a top tier team but they need their young players to be difference makers and we just didn't get that this year. Even the vets had a hard time this year. We have five or six guys that are free agents at the end of year. The Twins should do their best to shop them and find value. After the season is over they might even be able to trade some of those prospects for a MLB player. If this year is not our window we need to play for next year and beyond. You do that by trading.
  7. Dman
    I guess I don't understand the narrative that Dozier doesn't want to be with the Twins next year. I thought he was just disappointed the Twins did not offer him an extension. The market was very strange last year so I can see why Twins are reluctant to do anything ahead of time. Also he is older so maybe the Twins are worried about regression but I don't think it is Dozier that doesn't to be here more the FO not wanting to strike a deal early. Let Dozier see what his worth is and how many years he can command on the market. The Twins might be able to sign him to a 2 year deal with a third year option or maybe even a reasonable 3 year deal depending on his value on the market if they want him back. They certainly will have the money to do that it just depends on where they want to allocate their money. Pitching or position players.
  8. Dman
    I agree that is a benefit to a team trading for Gibson but it also means they are going to have to give up a lot in prospect value. It is a tough trade to complete so I don't see it happening. He would bring back a good return but who can we get to do a deal? They have to believe the new and improved Gibson is for real long term and not be afraid of his age if they would want to sign him longer term. That risk seems to high to me if I am the buyer but who knows deadline deals can be crazy.
  9. Dman
    I don't completely understand trade value especially for rentals but for Dozier to Milwaukee I would try and ask for Caden Lemons and Zach Brown. Lemons could end up a reliever as he currently only has two plus pitches but he is young and I like his upside. He could grow with the wave of young pitchers we currently have in the system. I really like Browns WHIP in AA and his K 9 looks fine as well. Might be risky again as a starter but solid bullpen arm would be his floor. If you don't like either of those maybe swap one of them for Carlos Herrera. He is 20 years old with three good pitches but the fastball could use a bump. Not sure if the Twins could get that for a rental or not. I really like the Phillies system and I think Escobar is a pretty good piece for them. Not sure if they could get this but I would see if they could get Ranger Suarez. He has four solid pitches and again a nice WHIP. He is their number 9 prospect. If they felt that was too high then Francisco Morales and another piece would do it for me. Morales is 18 and he could join the young hurlers we have coming up in the next wave. Those are my ideas pick them a part as you like.
  10. Dman
    If they can't find a return they like I don't see the sense in rolling over, they still have August to get something done. I don't think they want to just trade him for a bag of chips. Just my opinion. Hopefully they get something good and get him back in the off-season.
  11. Dman
    Dozier and Milwaukee should be a home run match made in heaven. The Brewers do like guys who can hit the long ball. Dozier would be a good fit for them if they can pry him loose from the Twins.
  12. Dman
    The Twins will only trade him if it nets a good return. It will depend on what teams are willing to pay in prospect value to pry him loose. I suspect it will take players in a teams top 10 to get him, but we will see. There are other options for teams. As we just saw the Indians were willing to pay the ultimate prospect price to net players with team control so it is hard to say what will happen with Esco. The Twins value what Escobar brings to clubhouse so they won't just trade him to trade him.
  13. Dman
    Winning the division is a nice feeling no doubt and it means the team was fun to watch the entire season but I am more greedy than you are as I would like to win the division and feel like the team has a very good chance to win a playoff series or the World Series. I don't feel that way about this team and don't see how they can change that at this point in the season. So I just want them to do things that might help them get to that larger goal.
  14. Dman
    I guess I am at a point where I don't even care if the Twins "catch" Cleveland and win the division. This team as currently constructed even if they won the division would likely be a worse team than the wild card selections. I am tired of just trying be good enough to win the division and living in the land of mediocrity. This team needs to do things to create a greater quality of talent,more depth, more options to acquire great talent. Do things that allow our team to compete with New York, Boston, and Houston. Sometimes that means sacrificing the present for the future by trading the assets you have to acquire better future talent. To build depth you need to play talent that is nearly ready for MLB to get experience. Personally I hope Cleveland makes the decision easy for us instead of leading us back to mediocrity by keeping the team we have and gaining no value.
  15. Dman
    It is just another reason it makes sense to sell. You get prospects back and can give opportunity for other players to break in. Cleveland will fix its bullpen and we will not catch them. Hopefully that becomes obvious sooner than later.
  16. Dman
    That's like getting five extra draft picks except you know that these players have had some level of success in Pro ball. Pretty good get for a rental. I did think that Baltimore would have gone with just two players and get like Diaz and May their number 10 prospect. That would have given them a potential star outfielder and a potential number 3 starter. I guess the more lotto tickets the better as you never know who is going to turn out. Still very good deal for a rental.
  17. Dman
    Nice analysis! Esco is Manny lite. He won't bring back a Manny haul but he should net a good return. I think the Phillies match up the best to get him but I guess we will have to wait and see.
  18. Dman
    Yeah but he is not a rental and he is older so it might be tough for the acquiring team to get value back from the deal. Also Gibsons good track record is short. Another team has to believe this is the pitcher he is now and going forward. Not sure those are bets I would want to take as the acquiring team. If you think he is the guy to put you over the hump this year maybe some team just goes for it but I don't see it. Top 100 prospects don't grow on tree's so it seems like it is hard to get those deals done.
  19. Dman
    Yeah I think there are a lot of better pitching options for teams to go after than Gibson. Not many huge overpays happen at the deadline. I think the only way the Twins would be able to move Gibson is if they brought down the price so to speak. The Twins won't do that so the odds of him being traded are very low. I haven't even really heard him rumored on the trade market other than the Twins are listening on most all of their players for trades. Anything can happen at the deadline but I doubt trading Kyle Gibson will be one of them.
  20. Dman
    To be honest I want the team we have to make it, but if they can't then get what value you can and move to the next window.
  21. Dman
    Yeah my take is wave two. The FO is already working on it IMO. We have players now that will be worth something in the next two to three years (i.e. Berrios, Polanco, Rosario, maybe Buxton, Maybe Sano, Maybe Kepler). We have some young talent in Graterol, Lewis, Kiriloff, Badoo, Javier, Enlow etc. They can trade a Berrios, Polanco or Rosario and suppliment the core young guys coming up. They can build a super team if they don't just play for today but play for the future. Hey maybe this year was a fluke and Buxton and Sano return next year. The Twins have enough money to sign Esco and Dozier if they want them back next year. Maybe the key players we currently have will take us where we need to go, but if they don't then yes sell what you have and move to make the best super team you can.
  22. Dman
    Sure I like the Twins chances in 2019 better with Gibson than without him but I think the goals we have in mind are just different. My guess is the FO thinks more like you do so nothing will get done on a deal for Kyle. But we just fundamentally disagree on the best course of action to win a World Series.
  23. Dman
    Look the odds of them trading Gibson is extremely low. The Twins value him more than other teams will. But yeah if they get offered a top 100 prospect and a couple more decent options you need to do that deal. Find something in free agency to replace him then. I don't think Gibson will make or break the Twins next year. Hell he could return to old Gibson or hurt his arm or a million other things but I doubt he would be the difference in the Twins making it to the post season or not.
  24. Dman
    If they traded Gibson the return would not be modest. The Post season is nice it makes for a fun year watching the team but when you get killed in the first round what is the point? You need to build a team that can compete with the big boys or the result is essentially the same. Do the things necessary to get there and you will get there. Do things to just make it and you will be mediocre forever.
  25. Dman
    Personally I like the odds of Escobar getting moved. Philadelphia , Arizona and Milwaukee all could use help up the middle and are in tight races. Esco's versatility and hitting fits nicely for each team. They might have to pay more in prospects than they would like but I think a deal gets done. Escobar's value will never be higher than it is now. Might as well get something for him and if the Twins love him so much they can sign him in the off-season to a nice deal. I assume he will command starter money though so we better really like him. The Twins can use a utility player or bring Sano back to cover third for the rest of this season if needed.
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