I haven't thought about the DH in a long time, but now that Martinez is in the hall and Ortiz will be and Molitor was more DH that position I look at the Cruz figures and I am delighted to have him on the team, but where would these players have been in those old pre-DH days? Not in the HOF. I just read the Athletic article on Mariano Rivera in the excellent series on the top 100 players by Joe Posnanski and a number of quotes stand out," Mariano Rivera became the first player elected unanimously by the BBWAA into the Baseball Hall of Fame, and many people were horrified by that, making the fair point that Rivera’s 56.3 career WAR was roughly the same as non-Hall of Famers Dave Stieb, Jerry Koosman and Kevin Appier, and that he threw a thousand or so fewer innings than Ron Guidry, Stieb, Bret Saberhagen and numerous others whose careers were deemed too short to be Hall of Fame worthy." Mariano was a failed starter as so many relievers are yet we are starting to put in more relievers than starters. "None of this would have been an option in Tom Seaver’s time or Warren Spahn’s time or Satchel Paige’s time or Walter Johnson’s time. The closer role was invented just in time for Rivera, and Rivera’s one pitch was created just in time for the closer role." I wonder what Joe will writer about the DHs - and if any will make it in the top 100. They certainly would not for me, but then, neither would the relievers.