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  1. The reason due process is so important in the legal system is because the government is attempting to take rights and/or freedoms from a person. The university isn't attempting to do that. There is no right to play in a football game.
  2. The key word after your bolded part is "and". They want due process AND the suspensions lifted. Not "or". That word matters. It matters a lot because it implies they want the suspensions lifted no matter the process or the facts of the case. And again, with the privacy laws that the University is bound by, how do you propose the process be handled? Perhaps they have evidence that they can't legally share.
  3. For starters, consenting to sex with one person is not consent to all of his friends. Can we agree on that? Her description of what happened (I begged them to stop) is rape no matter how you define it. I hope nobody is actually arguing that once a woman initially consents to sex she forfeits the right to stop consenting at a later point. That is what "ongoing consent" means. It is not arbitrary or ridiculous. It doesn't mean a person has to perpetually keep asking for consent. It means a person has the right to withdraw consent at any point.
  4. The University is bound by privacy laws. This isn't a court of law, these are the policies these players accepted when they enrolled at the University. I guess I don't understand what they are protesting. More transparency? The university is handcuffed in that regard by privacy laws. Due process? This isn't a court of law. University punishment procedure doesn't entitle these players to the same type of rights and due process as they would be guaranteed in a criminal proceeding. (The rights that the ACLU stands up for in your KKK example.) I thought their demands were that all suspensions be dropped, not just more transparency? That doesn't jive with the idea of them protesting the process only.
  5. Consent has to be ongoing and affirmative. 90 seconds worth of video is never going to be able to show that it WASN'T rape. I've never claimed that she is telling the truth. I've said she's either lying or it was rape. I think some are mistakenly thinking that I believe I know what happened. To be clear, I don't. My original point was that her statements, that I hadn't seen before, eliminates some of the grey area that might have been a consideration before. That is all.
  6. No, my quote is not factually incorrect. Conviction requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and prosecutors don't bring charges unless they think they can get a conviction. The prosecutor could believe the victim and still not have enough evidence to bring charges. His personal opinion- which is what I am referencing, can be different than his professional judgement. Did you read the article? Given her quotes can you tell me what grey area there is besides rape and her flat out lying? She didn't say she was confused or doesn't remember. She says she begged them to stop and they didn't. That is rape with no room for exception. Unless she's flat out lying. But fine. If you want me to retract the Wolitarsky argument I will. Instead of giving these guys an out (being uneducated in their stand), I'll instead assume that all 100+ players have no problem potentially taking the side of rapists. The players who weren't there when it happened don't know if it was rape or not, just like us. Many of these guys will have daughters one day. If it turns out that a rape did occur, I don't envy the day that they have to look their daughters in the eye and explain to them why blind loyalty to their teammates is more important than a woman's right to not be gangraped.
  7. Prosecutors don't bring changes unless they think they can get a conviction. My quote is an opinion of degrees. The quote from Wolitarsky is factually incorrect. Sure, I understood his point, and perhaps he just misspoke, but don't you think these guys should be pretty sure exactly what they are standing for if they are going to make this stand? I mean, if they truly (incorrectly) believe these players were "found not guilty" then they are severely misunderstanding the cause they are supporting. It's a huge difference Chief, not some nitpick.
  8. Also, it's hard to look at these guys as "student" athletes when you see a completely uneducated quote like this: "We got no answers to our questions about why these kids are suspended, when they were just found not guilty by the law," Wolitarsky told reporters after reading the players' statement. This guy attends a major University and he doesn't even know the difference between a lack of charges and "being found not guilty". Wow.
  9. Criminal charges require proof beyond a reasonable doubt. The lack of criminal charges doesn't mean there is "not even a chance they are guilty", to use your words. The university isn't bound by that same burden of proof.
  10. No, I said they either raped her, or she's lying. With more information coming out, there is much less grey area.
  11. Well I don't think I used that term, so I'm not sure why you put that in quotations. My point is that I hadn't seen those quotes from the victim before. I thought there might have been some grey area, like she was drunk and didn't remember consenting or something like that. She says she begged them to stop, and they didn't, and even laughed at her attempts to stop it. That removes most of the grey area. She is either lying, or it was rape. I have no reason to think she is lying.
  12. Sure, but that isn't what I responded to. I responded to the thought that overpaying in salary would bring back a lesser return in a trade.
  13. There were no veterans on the 2016 team?
  14. Anyone who reads that article and concludes it wasn't a rape is flat out calling the victim a liar. Any player who boycotts the bowl game to show support to rapists should have their scholarship yanked. As a father, reading her quotes in that story were heartbreaking. (Not that you need to be a father to be disgusted by gang rape.)
  15. You can cover all or part of the salary in a trade.
  16. The University (like many around the nation) has different standards for consent than the legal system does. This applies to all students, not just athletes, like you attempt to claim in an earlier post. Implied consent is not enough. There has to be affirmative consent. The affirmative consent also has to be ongoing. This means that the video, even if the beginning were missing, would be able to determine if consent was affirmative and ongoing. Each new act, and each partner would need affirmative consent. The woman consenting initially, and then simply not protesting additional partners is not enough under the University policy. There is nothing new or controversial about a University having different standards than the legal system. At BYU, for example, students are not allowed ANY sexual contact.
  17. Santiago has been tendered. I don't believe the Twins can release him and get out of his salary at this point.
  18. If you want to argue Berrios wasn't perfect at AAA, then OK. But he absolutely dominated AAA last year.
  19. I sure hope that "out of options" as a reason for winning a roster spot has left with the old regime.
  20. So you don't think a woman passes the point at which she's too drunk to consent to a line of 10 men until she's so drunk that she can't speak? I'm sorry, 10 men and 1 drunk woman is not "sex".
  21. Is the luxury tax applied to the entire payroll, or only to the amount you went over the cap? If it's the latter, then it doesn't really do much to restrict spending.
  22. Sure it does. Each time you get caught, the punishment increases. I believe he's facing a full season ban next time. That carries more risk than a player without a previous suspension.
  23. Yes. Sometimes we complain about over moderation, but it's better than no moderation. The other popular local sports forum is a complete cesspool without moderation and therefore I haven't even looked at it in several years. Thanks guys and gals.
  24. We like to brag, but it's just not the case. It took me 3 hours to get to work this morning, normally a 1 hour drive. 694 was a parking lot from 494 to the 94 split....and there wasn't even any snow on the roads anymore. We are more prepared to get the roads plowed quickly, but people still drive like it's 2 feet of snow on sheer ice.
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