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Effectively two owners in it's history and both were wicked men. Twins fans deserve so much better.

Based on recent attendance, you can probably get a couple!

People say these types of things, but they aren't actually true. Sure, you have SOME players that are good enough to be played every day, and in a set position, but the best teams in the league will still move their players around the diamond. The Phillies do it, the Dodgers do it. Excluding catchers, how many of their top ten position players (by games played) played 5 or more games away from their "primary" position: Phillies - 7 Dodgers - 6 Yankees - 5 (but mainly OF swaps) Guardians - 5 Astros - 5 Twins - 5

Here's wOBA over the three 2-month periods of the season, as well as the full season. March - May 31 June 1 - July 31 August 1 - Today Name 1 2 3 Full Matt Wallner 0.250 0.523 0.370 0.385 Carlos Correa 0.339 0.428 0.409 0.385 Byron Buxton 0.304 0.408 0.388 0.366 Trevor Larnach 0.334 0.320 0.351 0.336 Jose Miranda 0.324 0.421 0.241 0.328 Royce Lewis 0.392 0.273 0.324 Carlos Santana 0.295 0.367 0.302 0.321 Willi Castro 0.337 0.326 0.285 0.317 Ryan Jeffers 0.378 0.252 0.274 0.313 Max Kepler 0.351 0.281 0.243 0.298 Austin Martin 0.284 0.272 0.329 0.298 Kyle Farmer 0.235 0.301 0.365 0.295 Edouard Julien 0.300 0.284 0.245 0.283 Alex Kirilloff 0.299 0.169 0.282 Manuel Margot 0.240 0.324 0.259 0.277 Christian Vázquez 0.171 0.325 0.280 0.253 Brooks Lee 0.274 0.218 0.249

They were scrap heaps, and two of them turned out being useless, but two were very effective and important. Ironically it was not the two I expected!

Oh, no of course not. I meant in this specific thread 😅

Let me be the first to say...Fire Rocco. No real rush. But anytime after now and before November.

Fire Rocco.

I repeat, complaining about injuries is loser behavior. If that's what this organization is, we shouldn't be surprised how it ended up.

Please quote me. I'd love to see where I said that. I did say there was no true external factor that was outside the teams control. Which is hyperbolic but I stand by it. Complaining about injures is such loser behavior as if the Twins are some cursed team, the only team that happened to experience an injury throughout the season. Let's be real.

You know they're both pitchers and an inning counts the same regardless where you pitch, right? It's more like...cotton candy grape to sour grape.

I forgot. The Minnesota Twins were the only team in major league baseball to experience injuries. Great point. Why the hell not? Is it better to get in a 5 nil hole? SWR needed rest. We all knew it. Even if it was two times through the order. This was no grand mystery. Try something out. That's essentially what the Tigers did. They had starting rotation depth issues. 11 different people started games for them since August 1st, most of those openers. They tried **** out and look where they are. Rocco is risk averse, as is the Twins way. It's also a great way to lose. Also, other people's criticisms are not mine, so don't assign them to me. I'm entirely consistent.

So in all those 6 weeks, nothing could be done. Got it. Rocco was just a bystander to a runaway truck. You mention morale, that's like half his job. The clubhouse morale is low, whose job is it to try to right the ship? We all saw SWR was gassed for weeks. Try something. Throw Sands for 4 to start. Ask for Boushley for a week. Idk. Something. You guys act like he doesn't have any control over anything.

There was no true external factor outside of the team's control. The offense sucked? Whose job is it to mix things up to try to jump start it? The bullpen stuttered? Who controls the bullpen? SWR hit a wall? Who puts him on the bump? Sorry, but this team sucked and it comes back to leadership. It wasn't bad luck. It was a bad team.

Have they looked like a club that's focused or fired up the last couple weeks? Did they seem united? To me, that goes to lack of leadership, and that vacuum starts with Rocco. Fair or not.

I think this is entirely reasonable. But it's also entirely reasonable to say that Rocco should be shown the door tonight, assuming they get knocked out. His tenure hasn't been a good one and he did seemingly completely lose the clubhouse, as well as the fans. I do think it's actually better for a fan base to have that manager as a lightning rod instead of vitroel towards players. A 50 year old is better equipped to take that criticism than a 25 year old. So it doesn't really bother me even if it is misguided.

It was a monkey off the back. But this idea that it was a great team is ridiculous. It was a great stepping stone. But management decided to just jump off it. People have memories of the series, but they're on par with game 163. It was a win to get into the playoffs, not really a playoff win.

Everyone's at fault. Nearly everyone but Jax basically.

Well, they aren't paid to put together a roster, and the guys that are failed miserably.

What does Santana have to do with the gaping hole in CF? Compare him to Margot. How'd that go?

Twins run like a business...a terrible, terrible business that was inherited by some moron nepo baby that doesn't understand the industry. But thanks to a legalized monopolization, they literally cannot fail.

Wanted to follow up on this. According to Aaron Gleeman, the Twins were projecting 2.2-2.3 million this season. This would put this about 300,000 below their projected attendance, and let's be a it kinder and say the average marginal revenue on each head is quite a bit lower, maybe $50. That's $15 million in revenue.

Ironically, the White Sox outdrew the Twins this week.

Could have been a billion more if they didn't suck ass: St Louis Cardinals - $2.55 B Not only do they run it like a business, they run it poorly.

He'd be a LOT harder to move. Whereas Pablo's contract isn't bad, just a pretty decent slightly below market contract that a lot of teams would happily take on, Correa's is an overpay. I don't think anyone thinks he'd get $130 mil / 4 years on the open market today.