I agree, it was always hyperbole to say that Butera/Herrmann were completely worthless. However, on the flip side, I think we might be over-rating their trade returns. So far, Butera and Herrmann have netted: - Miguel Sulbaran, who was young but not highly regarded, and has since proven skeptics right - Matt Long, 27 year old org filler type - Ryan Jackson, 27 year old org filler type - and now Palka, 24 year old 1B/OF yet to appear above A-ball, Arizona's #29 prospect, probably a C/C+ grade by Sickels And even flipping the young Sulbaran quickly only netted Nunez, a DFA'd, soon-to-be 27 year old career 88 OPS+ infielder widely suspected as being unable to defensively handle the infield. To me, their modest trade returns seem pretty much in line with their modest roles/contributions in MLB.