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  1. It is a very interesting trade, I will give them that. The Padres were probably willing to commit the minimum salary for Hughes after we released him. That's ~$900k for the remainder of the deal (although obviously less if they release him earlier, which is pretty likely). The draft pick... from this article, maybe we can estimate it is worth $4-5 mil from a future WAR perspective: https://www.fangraphs.com/tht/the-net-value-of-draft-picks/ But it is one of only a handful of picks which can be traded, which would probably put a premium on it (if the Padres need an extra $800k for their bonus pool, there aren't many ways to acquire that). And of course its bonus slot could have been applied to another Twins selection too. Maybe the premium is an extra $1-2 mil? On the other side of the ledger, I don't know what value to assign to the catcher Villalobos. He's young enough to have a bit more potential than pure org filler, but not quite what anyone would call a prospect. Maybe $500k? So probably a fair trade on both sides, just by the numbers. Of course, it remains to be seen if both sides were right to move in these directions -- we'll see how their drafts play out, what the Twins do with the cash, and even what happens with Hughes and Villalobos.
  2. How useful is that, though? You are talking 1 WAR or less type players. Ideally you should be paying less than $7 mil guaranteed for such players/performances anyway (the Rays got Morrison for an average of $3.35 mil per season, for example), much less giving away the #74 overall pick and its associated bonus pool allotment too. If we're planning on that kind of investment as a follow-up to this deal, that's not terribly encouraging. And if we're planning on making a run at, say, Machado -- well, $7 mil is just a drop in the bucket.
  3. It will give us a spot for May or Ervin when they return. But that was accomplished as soon as we DFA'd Hughes -- in the context of freeing up the roster spot, it didn't really matter whether we traded him or released him, or how much money we ate.
  4. I have zero positive professional experience too, but you wouldn't suggest I might have comparable value to one of the top college catchers in the nation, would you? Even if I had 230 PA of mediocre, OBP-heavy experience over 2 seasons at the lowest levels of rookie ball, and I was ticketed for rookie leagues again at age 21, I think the simplest explanation probably pegs me as a fairly minor piece of any trade I might be involved in.
  5. An interesting way to look at trades is, how would I feel if the Twins were on the other side of this deal? Taking on a bad vet would suck, but hopefully we could talk him into minor league assignment first and cut him quickly if he fails to perform. But buying a draft pick might be seen as a good, aggressive move. Echoes of the Nolasco deal here too. Of course Nolasco had more value than Hughes at the time, but I always felt like that trade was mostly about the Angels "buying" Alex Meyer, which seemed like a good risk for them to take. I admit I was dismissive of Busenitz in that deal, and he looked like a diamond in the rough last year, but we've also seen how "AAAA reliever" is definitely a thing and maybe they're not so special. In any case, while Busenitz was a lightly regarded draft pick, by the time of the trade he was almost 26, pitching in AAA, and had already dominated AA. I can't imagine we could have anywhere near as close of confidence in Villalobos, at least not to assign him comparable value in this deal.
  6. Randy Rosario batting for the Cubs too! First plate appearance of his entire professional career. Drew a walk on a 3-2 pitch, and had to run the bases a bit as well (advancing to third) before scoring on a teammate's HR.
  7. $1 mil in international cap space is HUGE, with the new hard cap. That's like 20% of the average total pool. Adding $1 mil basically makes you a favorite to land the top international free agents in any given year. (And it helped the Angels land Ohtani this year.)
  8. I think you are reading way too much into Villalobos's limited stat line so far. He had a .437 OBP and 1.79 BB/K rate in 2016, but it was in 135 PA in the Dominican League, and with no power or average. Then he posted a .367 OBP in 2017, with an acceptable average and ISO, but in only 98 PA in the Arizona rookie league (and a rising K rate too -- his BB/K rate was down to 0.61). Those competition levels are so low, it is hard to know much -- Rosario and Danny Santana posted their career best BB% in rookie league seasons. And even if you think walk rates aren't affected much by competition levels, these are tiny samples. And Villalobos hasn't even played yet in 2018 -- he's apparently ticketed for rookie league again at age 21. It is a big stretch to say he is the equivalent of a #74 overall pick based on those numbers and that progression. Maybe the Twins found a diamond in the rough, but we can't really tell that from the stats at this point. He could just be org depth, or more favorably, still just a Willians Astudillo type of one-trick pony.
  9. I think Gordon is really the only guy for whom burning an option would be a concern, at this point. I think all of the other potential call-ups are either on the 40-man already, or old enough that it doesn't really matter (Wade, for example, would run out of options at age 27, at the absolute earliest). But yeah, regardless of whether we want to sell now, I think it is hard to get good value this early.
  10. Per Cot's, the Twins only had $39 mil committed for 2019 anyway, even with Hughes. Obviously there are virtually guaranteed arb salaries to come, and probably Erv's option, but that does seem to dilute the value of saving $7 mil on Hughes next year. Put another way -- if we were only looking at $20 mil payroll room, saving an extra $7 mil would be a lot more important than if we already had $60 mil payroll room.
  11. I would agree, but they really didn't get anything for Hughes. They essentially sold the #74 draft pick for $7.5 mil. Hughes's deal was just the currency used for payment. Seems like we fetched a decent price for that pick, but I don't know much about their relative value. And of course we don't yet know what the Twins are going to do with the money.
  12. Not quite so simple. The Padres could use the pick's slot money to go over-slot on another pick. (The Twins could have done likewise, had they kept the pick.) Also, that dollars per WAR figure is an estimate, and it really varies by circumstance. For the Padres, or any rebuilding team, 1 WAR is worth a lot less than $8 mil. They just don't need marginal wins. For the Twins, a team that should be contending, we should rather have the 1 WAR than an extra $7-8 mil, could mean the difference between the 2nd wild card or staying home. That said, Hughes wasn't going to give us 1 WAR this year, and neither was the draft pick -- but if the pick was worth $7 mil, maybe we could have traded it for something other than salary relief? Especially since technically the Hughes salary relief isn't until 2019. If the Twins are sticklers about year-to-year budgets, $7 mil would be a lot more useful for the 2018 team than for the 2019 team (which already had a lot of free payroll space).
  13. Agreed, I would just find it interesting to see what Astudillo's one skill could do in MLB. Probably not enough to swap him for Wilson while we still have hopes of contention, though.
  14. The catcher Villalobos was almost 19 when he signed with the Padres, presumably for a negligible bonus (can't find it reported anywhere). Combined with his pedestrian numbers/advancement, he feels more like org depth than a real prospect.
  15. The Twins also lose .812 million they could have allocated to another selection. Also, they didn't need to trade the pick to save the bonus money --they could have drafted someone who would sign for a much lower bonus.
  16. I am very intrigued by Astudillo and his ultra-low K rate.
  17. Brock Stassi (who had been splitting 1B/DH with Vargas) was released from Rochester, so Carter definitely seems like a AAA reinforcement at this time.
  18. Would Target Field help restore Bautista's mojo? Although maybe it was more the Twins pitching those years...
  19. Fangraphs does it for minor leagues with wRC+. Although unlike the MLB version of that stat, it doesn't include park factors, only league.
  20. We could effectively extend his rehab by optioning him for less than 20 days. That could preserve the option possibility for 2019.
  21. Tom Froemming mentioned upthread that May has reconsidered that position, and thinks the back issues were caused by something else.
  22. Actually May is on an arbitration deal now. So I think he gets the same salary, regardless of whether he is in MLB or in AAA. I'm sure May would rather be in MLB immediately, but if the 2018 salary is the same either way, burning that final option before 2019 might be a silver lining. If he were to return to Minnesota for August and September, he'd still probably pass the 4 year service time threshold by the end of this season.
  23. FWIW, it looks like 1B and DH at Rochester this season have been covered by Vargas (.605 OPS, 80 wRC+) and Brock Stassi (.630 OPS, 86 wRC+). Even adjusting for the PCL, Carter has a 130 wRC+ at AAA this year. So he should be an upgrade for Rochester, at the very least, while the Twins can continue to re-evaluate their need for a DH/1B/bench bat at the MLB level.
  24. I haven't really seen much of either of them, but by the metrics, I'd have to guess Morrison. Basically league average defender at 1B for his career by DRS and UZR, while Carter is about 4-5 runs worse per season by those metrics. Although that's only about half a win over a full season, so maybe in small doses it wouldn't much matter. (Although half a win could be the same drop-off from Mauer to Morrison...)
  25. Maybe not. For all the K's and low AVG, Carter's career wRC+ is 109. Grossman's is 102. Even for his Twins career only, Grossman is 109. But is Carter cooked? He did post a 73 wRC+ last year, but in only 208 PA. Grossman is only about a 80 wRC+ over his last 300 PA or so. Now, it appears Carter plays 1B about as well as Grossman plays OF, but ideally neither one should see the field much. And with Grossman's salary and inability to refuse an outright assignment, we could probably swap them using just 1 roster spot and keeping Grossman in AAA for insurance, if we want.
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