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Article: Minnesota's Winter Of Discontent
Otto von Ballpark replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Okay, take that list and remove Ervin for the first month or two, and probably even Trevor May too. (And keep in mind, Trevor May hasn't started a game in over 2 years.) And Duffey hasn't started a game in over a year, and only threw 71 innings last year. And of course Hughes is a huge wildcard. Our season ending SP situation last year was shaky, and to lose Colon, have an injury to Ervin, and do nothing else? That's borderline irresponsible for a team with our offense (and even our mild pen upgrades) and contention expectations. This isn't 2013 anymore. -
Article: Minnesota's Winter Of Discontent
Otto von Ballpark replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
That's fair, but if you have to do 4/60 to land Cobb, maybe you'd rather do 1/10 (with a team option) for Garcia, especially if you believe in prospects arriving sooner rather than later. -
Article: Minnesota's Winter Of Discontent
Otto von Ballpark replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Yup. Once the season starts, you can't count on any external replacements being available until at least June, and they might be Bartolo-level cooked. Or late July for another Garcia type. -
Article: Minnesota's Winter Of Discontent
Otto von Ballpark replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Only 30% of his starts last year were with the Yankees. You might as well as assert that 2 below average months mean that a player can't be average for a whole season. Since you brought up RAA, Garcia is +18 for his career. You note that his 2015 was quite good at +24, but even taking that out, -6 runs over the other 144 starts is pretty much the definition of average. I really don't get your insistence on immediately throwing guys into the fire with virtually zero AAA experience (and not even elite prospects at that). Because Brad Radke did it for a 99 loss team 23 years ago? If Garcia is as bad as you say he is, he can easily be replaced by prospects during the course of a 1 year deal. If the prospects struggle, you may not have the luxury of finding a veteran replacement during the season exactly when you want, at exactly your desired price. Not to mention the risks of pushing the prospects, if you give them too many challenges at once, it is probably not good for their overall development -- you don't just push every promising 12 year old to med school like Doogie Howser. And of course the heightened injury risk -- Fernando Romero's performance was showing obvious signs of fatigue after about 110 IP last year, and this is a guy you want to skip AAA? -
Article: Minnesota's Winter Of Discontent
Otto von Ballpark replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Actually Garcia was not "replacement level" last year -- he was average, which has value and could be an improvement. -
FWIW, Levine apparently reiterated the "priority" line a few week later than the November article I recalled. Molitor's quote from the same December article is a little more telling, though: https://amp.mlb.com/263716888-twins-serious-about-signing-yu-darvish.amp.html That doesn't sound too aggressive -- that sounds more like what I say when I hang around bake sales, hoping someone gives me a tray of unsold muffins at the end.
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Assuming 4 starters in regular rotation, we'd need a 5th starter on April 11, 24, 29, and May 4. Basically "skipped" twice in that span, the first week and the third week (around the Puerto Rico trip). Depending on how they did it, they could skip them on their next off day May 9th too, but you would need them by May 14th again. The DL is only 10 days now, so that helps, but I don't see them pushing Berrios, Mejia, etc. Early last season they were skipping the 5th guy a bit (Mejia?) but the other 4 spots were veterans (Ervin, Santiago, Hughes, and Gibson).
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Hey, you're talking about me! To me, "our first choice" to describe the consensus top FA kinda goes without saying, no? Especially in a market where nobody expected him to get $200 mil, or even $175 mil. Maybe I wouldn't have expected TR to say it, or the GM of a 100 loss team, but the 2017-2018 Twins absolutely can and should be considering every FA up to that range. They shouldn't have to signal that they are simply evaluating the opportunity. In retrospect, it certainly seems like your interpretation is correct, but even then, the outcome still seems disappointing because that means they didn't recognize the unique opportunity that Darvish and this market represented, etc. Maybe they'll blow us away with an impressive plan B, but at this point my feelings about that are probably similar to their's about Darvish -- it's more "hope" than expectation.
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Article: The Darvish Contingency Plan
Otto von Ballpark replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
And a $110 mil outlay won Darvish's services back in 2011 too! Coincidence? I think so!- 195 replies
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I think the TD writers like them in context as prospects, but I'm not sure they've advocated for their immediate promotion to the majors. Perhaps they argued for a faster promotion to AAA last year, particularly for Gonsalves, but in absence of that I don't think they'd recommend essentially skipping AAA altogether based on spring training performance.
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Not sure if that is really true. Their only April off days are the first week and around the Puerto Rico trip. They don't have one in May until May 9th either. That's 9 straight days, then 19 straight days. And even if you skip the 5th starter once or twice, you're not doing it to get more starts for a vet like Ervin Santana like we did last year. You are increasing the workload on guys like Berrios, Mejia, Duffey, etc. I'd count on needing 5 starters the whole time.
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Did you find it and read it? Because we seem to be on very different wavelengths in this thread, so I wouldn't judge my overall argument based on whatever it is you think I am saying here. I don't think Levine is a lying liar, or their offer was purely for show, or anything else like that, if that is what you think. I just don't think their offer was nearly as effective as it could have been, even within reasonable parameters of a midmarket team (although obviously the Twins are applying more restrictive parameters). That's not unreasonable, is it?
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Whoa! By late, I meant presumably final. It was almost spring training. If they had offered 5/100 back in December with the intention of negotiating upward, that's one thing. But as a last best offer, it definitely feels like a Hail Mary. I am not sure if I have impugned their motives at all. I agree that they had a value line and stuck to it. I just think it was never really compatible with calling the player a priority. Getting a bargain along their value line was the priority, and the player was more of a hope/prayer kind of thing. Looking back, it seems Levine meant priority in a "we'll look at him first" way, but it is disappointing because that should really go without saying, and the opportunity to play at the top of the market seemed ripe.
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Your own admission at least has plugged-in sources, so it's probably "whole assed" speculation rather than the "half assed" speculation common at TD. The Twins offering the same guarantee as the Cubs but with a larger AAV is pretty implausible. Especially given the collusion accusation climate, it's virtually impossible that wouldn't have leaked. The Twins are welcome to correct the record on this front, of course. I don't think there is any official restriction on disclosing a rejected offer once a player signs elsewhere (or if there is, it could be done unofficially quite easily too). But until they do so, I'm not going to give them credit as if their offer was secretly 25% larger than any reported number. (I've actually been giving them credit for +10% but frankly maybe even that is too much -- +5% would be the same AAV as the Cubs deal and might be the more likely figure.)
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Here's Darvish's MLB IP ranks, outside of his single TJ injury/surgery: 2012: 42nd (1st MLB season, they skipped him 3 times) 2013: 20th 2014 1st half: 51st (they skipped him 2 times) 2016 2nd half: 36th 2017: 24th And his durability in Japan has also been referenced as evidence that he might have too much "mileage" on his arm already.
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They have? Gonsalves has 22 IP at AAA, and he gave up 14 runs. Romero has yet to throw a pitch in AAA, and had a 3.53 ERA in AA where the league ERA was 3.60.
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Article: Trade Target: Collin McHugh (McWho?)
Otto von Ballpark replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Name some SP that you expect to be available at the trade deadline in 2018. Not all trade deadlines are created equal -- remember 2016 when Hector Santiago was one of the leading arms available? And even in 2017 when there were 4 notable SP available, I think you are dramatically underrating the difficulty of acquiring them. Look where they wound up: Dodgers, Yankees, Cubs, Astros. Doesn't look much different from FA negotiations, does it? Verlander's no-trade clause played a big role too, limiting his potential landing spots as much as any choosy FA.- 64 replies
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