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  1. TheLeviathan
    Too strong. More like "potentially considered". To be flat out considered needs at least a dozen in a row.
  2. TheLeviathan
    Well, if all you do is sign cheap and you never splash - then yes, you are dumpster diving.
  3. TheLeviathan
    Is it possible for a major league team to just not have a farm system? Because that's what I'm arguing. 100% FA acquisitions.
  4. TheLeviathan
    You are making a point to miss the point. Your argument was that FA deals cripple teams. My point was that they don't. Not that Rowand and Zito lead them to a WS, but that their signings didn't prevent them from doing so. Cmon, please keep up with your own arguments here. So sell off Mauer too? You'd have to. Plus, what if the foundation flops? Another 7 years of rebuilding? This may be the sixth time someone has made this point to you. No one is suggesting that. No one. No one is saying you abandon the farm in favor of building in FA. It's just being pointed out that they aren't mutually exclusive. You can, and should, utilize both to make your team better. I feel like we're going in circles because you can't keep yourself focused on the point at hand.
  5. TheLeviathan
    Well, to be clear, I think you can gamble with some of those 1-2 year deals. But they can't be your primary FA emphasis.
  6. TheLeviathan
    If it came off as sarcasm that was too biting, I retract my phrasing. But it just baffles me that people advocate utterly ignoring one dimension of adding talent when you only have a few avenues in the first place.
  7. TheLeviathan
    At the time they signed Rowand, not even half your list was playing for them full-time. Zito, a year prior, even less. So, did you bother to fact check at all? Even Matt Capps had more career success than Kevin Correia. You left Edwin Jackson off too. You mean...like the mighty Kansas City Royals? Total slash and burn projects like you're suggesting aren't very productive either. I guess we could deal Mauer and everyone else and keep a payroll of 20ish million for a few years. Then, of course, if even a third of our prospects fail and we aren't good enough to "go all in", we can start another 7 year rebuild. Yay! But you're right, your completely one dimensional approach is probably the epitome of wisdom.
  8. TheLeviathan
    The point was the added a gamer who was productive and fit an area of need. He isn't hurting their bottom line right now and is seen as a team leader. Is he financially hitting to his charge? No, but many players don't. FA signings or not. Investing money into potential trade bait. Yes, yes I do. Do you have a more productive way to spend those resources? The point is you don't let losing dictate your pursuit of quality players that can be part of your future. You are so hung up on hamstringing future budgets it's really quite ridiculous. Did Zito and Rowand cripple the Giants? The Twins can afford to sign players and should be addressing minor league shortcomings (see: Pitching) sooner rather than later. Then, hopefully if all goes well with the prospects, we are better prepared to contend sooner.
  9. TheLeviathan
    Medical staff defenders....you're needed. It wasn't too sad for me to laugh...I laughed out loud when I read that.
  10. TheLeviathan
    I never thought about the Giants, but you're right. They whiffed with Rowand and others, but it was the right idea.
  11. TheLeviathan
    How about Jayson Werth? Signing Matt Capps and flipping him into Wilson Ramos? Our foundation is closer than you think. Why not get ahead of the game at MASSIVE areas of need? As for Atlanta, they were a 72 win team and then went out and got Vasquez, Derek Lowe, and others to help their team. No matter how you shake it, utterly ignoring the FA market is absurd.
  12. TheLeviathan
    Guys willing to sign for one or two years are generally garbage players. Especially pitchers. Now you might find some luck with hitters that way, but far less likely pitchers. I would argue our 2000 core would've benefited GREATLY from two well timed FA signings. (A legit middle of the order bat where they had 1B/DH open at times during the run and another very good SP)
  13. TheLeviathan
    If you worry about prospect development with handing out contracts you're making a number of mistakes: 1) Prospects fail. All the time. Even elite ones. Worry about what they will earn in 6-7 years is nothing more than shooting in the dark. You have no idea and planning for something you can't predict and can't control is a horrible way to make decisions. 2) Going "all-in" is a popular phrase but rarely works. Most teams that go after that one or two big names to help their team usually have to sacrifice prospects, not money. So then it defeats the very thing you're talking about and only marginally increases your chances. You are far better off to add talent at positions of need when you have the resources to do it and let the future chips fall where they may. That doesn't mean you buy an entire rotation or half your roster, but you do go after a few big additions that can supplement what you want your roster to look like. Again, St. Louis and Atlanta are OUTSTANDING examples of the right model. Washington too. One, two, or three FA contracts are not going to cripple you if you stagger when you sign them and the value you place on them. Completely omitting one major way of adding talent just seems ludicrious on the face of it.
  14. TheLeviathan
    Since when is it either/or? You can do both.
  15. TheLeviathan
    Right, but we were content with some relatively low-talent options. He had limited payroll, but Ryan also wasted it repeatedly on the like of Rondell White and many other awful investments.
  16. TheLeviathan
    We're debating the "need" to have Clete Thomas in CF in May. And people said those that were pessimistic about this season were overdoing it in the offseason....
  17. TheLeviathan
    Ryan appears to be very good at getting cheap RP options, but what about high end starting pitching? I'm not even sure another Johan will happen for any team again, much less the Twins. That really just leaves drafting and signing - neither of which have been historic strengths of Ryan. In FA - the problem isn't just bottom feeding. It's bottom-feeding to particular skill-sets. (High contact guys that will chew up innings, regardless of how effectively they chew them up. Aging hitters with severe defensive liabilities) Teams in similar markets to ours that are predicated on building through the farm like we are (Atlanta and St. Louis) use the FA market much better than Ryan has. It shouldn't be too much to ask for that. But there is no evidence in Ryan's track record or his public rhetoric to suggest we've seen a change in that direction.
  18. TheLeviathan
    So call up all three (Walters, Deduno, and Gibson) None of this is a slight on Walters, it's that Gibson's innings limit, coupled with his talent, coupled with most of his recent performances, coupled with the putrid major league pitching are all strong reasons to promote him. The "consistency" nonsense is just an excuse for Super 2. Nothing more.
  19. TheLeviathan
    Part of me thinks that Gibson's performance last night may have actually disappointed the Twins to some degree. Now they really have to turn up the rhetoric to guard themselves from the money/service time issue. I realize how bitter and pessimistic that seems, but damn, I kinda think Ryan was secretly rooting for a 5 inning, 3 run performance. Just to fit the narrative better for a couple more weeks.
  20. TheLeviathan
    I think there is still reason to have confidence in some of the management, it's the 99% figure that I think is strikingly ignorant of results. I like Terry Ryan, I'm still comfortable with him as the GM - but his FA habits and the fact that drafts under his administration led to the depletion of our farm in the Smith years still leave me wary of him and the guys he trusts to a certain degree. I can't see how anyone can be virtually 100% confident in them. "Some" or "very" confident I would have no issue with personally. I would put myself in the "some" category for sure.
  21. TheLeviathan
    Right - so the fans are savvy enough to know, the players are savvy enough to know, and the front office damn sure knows....so why not just be upfront? All this mass self-deception does is make the inevitable collapse all the more bitter for many.
  22. TheLeviathan
    I don't see how it's any different to say "Well, I think we're building to the future" and limiting your off-season spending to Pelfrey and Correia. Ryan had already said it figuratively. You might as well say it literally as well. The same argument works against players - I'm guessing Mauer and Morneau are "savvy" enough to realize this team wasn't going anywhere too. So who in the hell are you hiding it from?
  23. TheLeviathan
    Willingham should probably call that.
  24. TheLeviathan
    Great first post as well. I think you summarized where a lot of people stand. This kind of sentiment is exactly what all the staunch Twins defenders should consider when they advocate whole-sale punting of this year and next.
  25. TheLeviathan
    I hadn't caught that. You are correct.
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