TheLeviathan
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So you're utterly hopeless on this? I mean, seriously, read that paragraph, Could you be trying any harder to call that thing that's quacking and waddling an elephant rather than a duck? There is a lot more in your post that is head shaking (from Israel, from the apparent ignorance of this thing called the "reformation", to all sorts of other things) but you sort of lost me with that paragraph. I get it, you're in your little ideological tribe and you've planted your roots deep. I find that unfortunate, but oh well. The rest of us will have to work on the problem while you keep trying to figure out why your elephant doesn't have a trunk.
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The state is not separated from the religion and the school curriculums are heavily saturated with religion. There isn't a separation of powers, the state IS Islam. Or the two are joined at the hip. Again, sadly, the majority is part of the problem. A few elites or those in power might be driving things, but the majority support these regressive and oppressive interpretations. And they support going further down the road to less education and freedom in exchange for more religion. And both the masses and the leaders do it in the name of Islam. Women don't get educated in the name of Islam. What we consider basic education is replaced with religious doctrines in the name of Islam. Again, this is not some fringe in the Middle East and Asia. The Pew polls make that abundantly clear.
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They don't know that.....because of their religion. It controls their education and goverents. The Pew research is pretty clear on both how pervasive it is by country and by region. It all connects back to the same issue, not unlike Christianity hundreds of years ago.
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Game Thread: Twins v Indians, 7/15 @ 7:10pm CT
TheLeviathan replied to Riverbrian's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
My first thought was "If that's Sano they score a run and have a guy on third". Little things that don't always show up when you just play good defense. -
Is there a chance it becomes so common we become almost comfortable with it? I've just begun to chew on that idea a bit lately.....(Not saying I endorse any answers, just posting something I've been thinking about)
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I agree, but most of the states believe in some or many of those warped principles. So, yes, I'm using the term broadly but it also fits broadly.
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No, I agree, but I'm also not going to sit here and go through it piece by piece. The parts that need to be re-interpreted, changed, or whatever are also Sharia Law for exactly the reasons you lay out. So are the justifications used to keep women uneducated and a host of other oppressive social features. Since these are also part of Sharia Law, how would you prefer I distinguish what needs to change in practice/interpretation?
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That was my understanding as well. They basically are universally hated by the sects around them and they'd rather govern themselves. Which totally makes sense. Again, they are a moderate, reasonable group of people for the most part.
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Perhaps it's an unfair reaction, but it's pretty much exactly the kind of comment I hear too often. And I see it leveled against others out there publicly as well. Do you really think Bark and I would have the same reaction if it didn't come off that way? I apologize for thinking the worst, but trying to take it neutrally just makes me confused about what you were saying.
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Are you arguing it's some sort of monolithic thing that isn't interpreted differently by different sects? Because that's sort of my point, whatever you want to call it, the practice need not be the way the wahhabists want it to be as evidenced by many sects that practice a much different form of it.
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I was providing information after reading a news story. I hadn't heard of this cleric in Pennsylvania, did a little reading, and shared it. Are you suggesting your earlier comment was once again about posters not on this site that you posted on this site and made no effort to clarify? (I believe you did that in the Castille thread just a day or so ago) As a general rule I don't carry arguments I'm having elsewhere here and retort them. If for nothing else, because it's confusing as hell.
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The Turkish president seems to believe this guy is behind it. If true, I'd be ok with it provided his beliefs became the dominant view in Turkey.
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I hope so too, Turkey has some serious problems, but relative to what else we have to work with in the Middle East they are at least predictable. That can't be underestimated.
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Anyone heard anything about who is behind the coup or the objectives yet? Reporting seems really vague on it so far.
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It's sad in how predictable it is.
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Ooooh...progress! You take away the vehicle and you take away some of the power and the cohesion of the hate. Religion taps into really powerful emotions and develops much more commitment and passion than your average vehicle. Even Nationalism pales in the face of it. You also might change the hate when you suddenly allow the population to speak free, educate all, etc. There will be other helpful changes by attacking this issue too. Yeah, they might find another banner, but unlikely one with the same kind of power, broad appeal, and ease of use for manipulation. Sure, Western Imperialism has helped lead to all sorts of problems. It probably, largely, is responsible for racism in America too. Doesn't mean I find much use in acknowledging that or making it the focus of my fix. It doesn't help the problem. How do I know? Well, we could pull every soldier out of the Middle East, do daily food drops, build monuments to Islamic prophets, and build a new mosque on every corner.....and it won't matter. Short of converting to Islam, none of it will matter. Starting to see the real central factor yet?
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I'd also push back on one other point.....if no one is denying Islam is inhumane and creating so much suffering and oppression......why deny it's central role in creating murderous extremists? Why work so hard and do so much creative mental gymnastics to deny that?
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1. The Saudi's practice is what funded the splinter group of extremists in the first place. The subsequent funding gave them a foothold to build on. This virus started there and it started as a violent, old-school version of Islam. That's the vehicle for it as well. 2. The systemic oppression of speech and education, in the name of religion, is not dissimilar to what was practiced for a long time in the Western world. It's not an accident that many of the most violent, backwards countries are also the poorest and the least educated. That's by design. People accept that design in the name of Islam. The other issues are accidents. They serve to further the narrative, but they aren't the vehicle for it. As it has always been, religion (in any particular form) is often the most effective tool for oppression the world has ever known.
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Or killed. Try being a blogger or a feminist over there.....
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But you can change the practice. Perhaps I should have been more clear - oppressive interpretations of shariah law should be changed. The Pew poll seemed to garner different opinions, but largely used the term as a way of describing a replacement form of law that is more harsh/Islamic. We often speak of the Old Testament being over-ridden by the New, but we don't throw it out. Overtime Christians have just chosen to emphasize other teachings instead. To me, I hear "Sharia Law" as more commonly a parallel to "Old Testament".
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That's fine, perhaps I phrased it poorly, but there are clearly ways to drop some of the practices and the rigidity of enforcement. It's done all over the Western world by Muslims. Whatever term you want to use to explain that, I'll agree with. Or it's time to reform the law itself. As I said - change the practice, call it whatever you want.
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You didn't ask about war. You asked about killing from the dawn of man. So, yes. I answered your question, you just decided to change it mid-stream.
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Taking us down the "Well what does it really say" in a holy text is usually the first step towards admitting you got nothing. There will never be a one true correct interpretation. What matters is the practice of the religion. And throughout the middle east the practice is the oppression of pretty much everyone but men. And only the men in power that decide the current correct interpretation for their group. How can any liberal not read that paragraph and think "oh...yeah...that thing we outwardly reject about white, land owning eurocentric males" and not change their tune?
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Well, largely for survival. But then religion (all of the big three) pretty much made an industry out of it.
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Because of their religion!!!!
