TheLeviathan
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I think these protests are perfectly fine. People need to express their emotions and work through this. The results are jarring and I understand their fear. All that said, can you honestly say that assumption is false? Not that it would've happened, right wingers aren't the protest types in general, but I don't think jimmers assumption is off base at all. Maybe not for you personally, but I doubt he meant that.
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Well, I'd suggest the reasons those people have are probably a combination of many things. I'd guess at least another 40% voted simply out of hate for Hillary/Dems. But yes, some of that is racism. Some of it is misogyny. Just not as much as people seem to think it is.
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I can agree on the idea that they have reason to be more fearful and upset. What I would caution is to read into Trump's election as a statement against minorities. Exit polling showed 30-45% of his own voters found him unfavorable. It shows that it wasn't about Trump or what he believed in, it was more about that middle finger message to a system that has failed so many. So I won't begrudge anyone feeling fear or attacked right now, but I would try to help show them it may not be as bad as it appears. This was less an indictment of the minority population and more of an indictment of the political process.
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So....how do they blow this one?
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Nailed it.
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Ah, I see, I misread that. Probably too much listening to the wider conversation and I let it color my reading of your comment. I do agree, we're going to see aggressive GOP policies in the coming years.
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I don't share your optimism on policy diehard. I think the only thing we can be sure of is that we will see a lot of non-environmentally friendly policies enacted and a hefty decline in taxes for the rich. Beyond that, I have no idea what the guy will do.
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I'm going to be curious as to the reaction of the populace if Trump actually enacts some of that talk. I tend to think most of it was hot air and lipservice, but if it does happen you're talking about stuff that's going to look straight out of a movie about a future dystopia.
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Say what you will about Trump, but he certainly was a different kind of liar. Maybe that was enough for many people.
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Maybe I'm not sure what you're saying then. There appears to be a healthy dose of hyperbole you've walked back a couple times, I guess I just took that as your tone. (Which, I totally get, last night was one of those "you'll remember where you were" moments) If your statement is that racism is around, Ok, sure. I guess I don't see how this election made that any more or less a thing. So what are you saying about it then?
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Also, it should be clear: of course racism still exists. Of course it was a healthy part of this election, but the motivating emotional force behind Trump's win? No. That's looking to keep your moral high ground so you don't have to look in the mirror. Trump didn't win because America is full of racists. Trump won because people can't figure out how to have common ground or see how their struggles are shared. You don't solve that discord by running around afterwards saying "Well shoot! If not for the racists...." That's passing off the problems the Dems and their message had on an easy scape goat.
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Since when did an angry, visceral response have to look like something from Dr. Moriarty? We've been voting for change now for 12 years, flipping back and forth trying to express our frustration. I don't think Trump is the end of that, but he was the centerpiece of it in this election. People wanted to just muck stuff up and he was the guy they were allowed to do it through.
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Is it confirmed to be a reaction to last night?
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The problem is that my three year old could play LF almost as well. His diving attempts will be cuter, but about the same level of efficiency as a fielder.
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My response to that would be.....who were they voting for in the past? I doubt most of those same people suddenly went Republican. Was it a very, very minor factor? Maybe. I'm not even willing to go past that. And your second point is the salient one. People didn't vote in Trump. That's why nothing stuck. They were voting for what he represented: a giant flaming middle finger at how politics work. The more inappropriate, stupid, inept, and unqualified he was, the more it made that message effective. People were ashamed of who was representing their message this time around, but the message was more important. And still we have some in here pretending this was fueled by racism, misogyny, and the KKK. If you think that, you should strongly think about how much you're perpetuating the problem. Chief said it well, the Dems got whooped on every level of this election. It wasn't just their standard bearer that failed them: their message failed them. And I'm pleading with those of you that are tried and true Dems and liberals to take away from this something that would actually help us all - look in the mirror. Get your *@%^ right with this message. Give us at least one party we can root for. Don't go Tea Party on us and blame some conspiracy or easy excuse. Fix your @*%^ so next time some Orange Menace won't be able to beat you. Or get out of the way and let a third party try. Whichever. Just don't replicate the double down on the Tea Party like the other side did.
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Sorry, I think this is the wrong take away. The messenger need not embody the message. I'd argue this isn't even the first messenger. Obama had a lot of the same sentiments, just with a much more capable and respectable person behind them. And the same voters that propelled Trump were pushing for a Bernie nomination, they just had the very thing the message is REALLY about prove to them that they're right. That the system is rigged. That their voice isn't heard. That their cares and fears and worries are not being listened to. That it's all one big s*#^show. People want to lob a molotov cocktail into the political establishment and they found the Orange Menace as their only option to do so. Are their elements of misogyny, hate, fear, racism, and all of that mixed in? Sure, opportunists will find these sorts of things to attach themselves to, but that isn't the central issue here. If we miss that, we risk more of this. I guarantee you the absolute worst thing we can do in the wake of this is say "oh...it's because Obama was black" or "Oh...it's because Hillary was a woman" That. Isn't. It. Months ago when this happened with Brexit I was telling this board that they shouldn't be shocked if the exact same thing happened here with Trump. There is a great unrest about political establishments in much of the Western World that is reaching a breaking point. If we don't start to ease that unrest by actually listening and trying to help those affected....we'll keep getting more of the same.
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Not on moral and ethical issues it isn't,
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A Look At The Free Agent Catcher Market
TheLeviathan replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I believe we're still in full blown rebuild, but having a catcher that is actually good at catching will actually help our young pitchers. And if he's really good and a young guy develops, we can always trad.e -
It was part of it, but if you think that was the emotion that propelled Trump you're looking for easy answers. And the easy answers are not the right ones most of the time. There is some hard introspection to be done.
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Someone is going to have to or this is just going to get whackier.
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The Republicans were in bad shape a few years ago too, they found creative ways. The Dems will have to as well.
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Perhaps. The optimist in me hopes the Democrats look internally and see how they've largely ignored, and had outright contempt, for so many middle Americans that they'll change who they are to better represent the populace. Which is the exact opposite of what the Republicans did after they took their butt kicking 8 years ago. The realist in me is worried we've only seen the beginning of this. And many of the talking heads out there right now are confirming those fears.
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They'll be obstructing whatever Trump and the Republican controlled Congress wants to do. I'm in favor of them doing it, but it's exactly a flip of where we were 8 years ago with the "Party of No" and all that. But as ash said, the Dems will pay much more harshly for it I'm sure. But it's their only recourse after this drubbing.
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We're also in for four years of the Dems being those same "obstructionists" that the Republicans were accused of. The hypocrisy is going to be really, really thick on both sides.
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Here's a question I have to push back on this just a bit Mike.....if this is all part of some decade long scheme.....you think this is the guy they planned to prop up to rule them? I don't disagree that there is a concerted effort by the GOP to suppress a lot of things, but Donald Trump doesn't strike me as the culmination of any master plans.
