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  1. At least our memes are going to be awesome until the apocalypse!
  2. I hope you're right Dave, but the rhetoric on the right sure sounds supportive.
  3. What someone is "worth" is at least partially in the eye of the person trading for them though, isn't it? Everyone in the league isn't meeting the demand you have set forth, so perhaps your valuation is too high. Getting a good pitching staff together requires a lot of bullets to fire at the problem. The more prospects you have, the more you protect yourself against busts. So adding one top flight arm (at least by prospect rankings) and another solid one helps to do that. For me, holding on to Dozier severely complicates our ability to contend again. We won't contend without serious pitching reinforcements and if the only ones on the way are our AA pitchers, that is taking an enormous risk. Not only in terms of how few of them we're betting on, but by how far away they still are. By the time those guys are up we're 3-4 years into our team control window with Buxton and Sano.
  4. Other than the coming catastrophe that is Betsy Devos, this was by far the scariest thing so far. He has been taking shots at the media throughout the last two days too. And he'll have broad support on the right for doing it.
  5. We're in a cushy little left-leaning political thread here and all of us are giving that benefit to each other when we criticize the right. Criticize the left? No such courtesy. So I knew what you meant. I knew you weren't being inconsistent. But if I wanted to mischaracterize what you wrote, it was pretty easy. You didn't couch all of this in your first post, it was written incredibly hypocritically but for me giving you the benefit of the doubt about what you meant. Rather than leap to mischaracterizations, tt's sort of nice when we just give each other the benefit of the doubt...no?
  6. DeLeon is a very good prospect. Stewart is a good prospect. I think most all of us are in the camp of getting DeLeon and one other good prospect. But there are some that insinuate they need two guys the level of DeLeon. Frankly, the Dodgers have no reason to pay that and they almost certainly won't. Nor will anyone else. And that is highly unlikely to change as he gets older with less team control. If the Dodgers do offer (or have offered) a prospect like Stewart or Buehler with DeLeon the Twins are making a serious mistake turning that down.
  7. I guess I feel like the health of the earth isn't worth dying on the hill of "I won't say stewardship!"
  8. So a few protesters hurl bricks and destroy property and we are reminded not to hold all of them accountable for the extreme views of the few. Which is true. Flip side? Hell no, by brother in law said he'd used his guns so now I can broaden that to all Trump voters. We're not even trying anymore. Things are only going to get worse and it's not all Trump's fault. (Though he will be top dog)
  9. Threats? Maybe, but stringer said rioting. That's not their style.
  10. Well of course the situation isn't 100% identical, but there was absolutely rage and vitriol on the other side during both Obama wins. Same during the Clinton years. But they don't fight back with protests and riots. They fight back with birth certificates, impeachments, and other forms of attack. So no, there is no way in hell they'd be protesting. It's just not something the right wing does.
  11. It's easier to have a conversation about what to do when you both agree it needs to be done. I guess the alternative to what you suggest is to stick our nose in the air, make smarmy comments about the notion of reaching out, and let the earth keep wasting awhile while we have partisan bickering in place of conversation about what to do. Compromise and commonality be damned I guess.
  12. DeLeon and Stewart is a deal I have said I'd accept as well. But that is "two unproven starting pitchers", which you've also said is not worth enough to trade Dozier.
  13. It was more trying to figure out how he'd fit. He can't play D so pairing him with Lavine seems like a huge problem waiting to happen. I agree that we need a PG that is at least capable enough offensively that people won't leave him unguarded. For all that Rubio brings, that negative is impossible to escape.
  14. Let's be real here, that doesn't have nearly as much to do with this as stinger or you is positing. This is about Donald Trump. Whether he had won by 3 million or lost by 3 million these things would be happening. It's about the menace he represents, not the final vote tally. Uproar? Sure, they were in 8 years of uproar trying all kinds of crazy ****. But rioting? Nah, they only seem to do that for abortion clinics.
  15. First, we all agree that the Twins shouldn't trade him for "half his value" or one pitcher. We've gone around and around that strawman enough. No one wants that, but it may be true that you are over-valuing Dozier depending upon what you expect fair value to be. It seems that way since you want four pieces and two very good ones. I would suggest you have wildly over-valued Dozier. As for next year - it depends on who they put at SS. I think moving Dozier for a pitcher, plugging in a defensive SS, and moving Polanco to 2B might be more than enough to offset the loss of the offense I expect from Dozier with better D and pitching. The irony was that gunnathor made a sarcastic remark about prospects "not missing" and you're already telling us our future pitching will be fine based on projecting two guys in AA as part of our rotation. As a Twins fan I hope your projection gets lucky and comes true, but as something to plan around that is a huge mistake.
  16. The point is to get people on the same page of trying to help the earth. Many of the same people that hate climate change talk are the ones advocating to protect wetlands, clean up garbage, etc. There is a point of commonality to find. I suppose you could keep banging the same drum hoping the tune changes, but banging a different drum seems more likely.
  17. I highly doubt they would be rioting. They'd do other horrible things, but they wouldn't riot. Remember, we were well down the "Obama is an arab who hates America, wasn't born here, and is trying to destroy us" when he was re-elected. There wasn't riots. That's not really a right-wing thing and never has been. They'd just do other horrible things.
  18. First, the irony of this post didn't escape me. Considering what gunnathor said it's kind of funny that you're arguing against the idea of trading Dozier based on projecting AA pitchers 2019 cogs in helping us contend. And secondly, and most importantly, we won't contend for anything without better pitching. So I would absolutely characterize that as a "need". And 103 losses as a result of that need certainly stinks of desperate.
  19. I think jim's advice is pretty sound. Everyone who agrees on the science already agrees, but advancing the position with science has only caused huge issues and deeper divides. Perhaps we should try something else, something built more around conservationism and stewardship.
  20. I don't know what they've been offered. But if all they have been offered is DeLeon we wouldn't still be negotiating for two months. That makes zero sense. Now that doesn't mean their counter offer was fair. It could've been DeLeon and Trevor Oaks. It could have been DeLeon and some AA scrub. I don't know. But I'm pretty much 100% confident it wasn't just DeLeon. And I'm reasonably confident the counter-offer came close enough to keep the sides talking. Otherwise they likely wouldn't have continued talking. So what else was on the table is anyone's guess. The Dodgers may have, at some point, offered only DeLeon. We may never have budged off of Bellinger and DeLeon. I don't know. I've said it before and I'll say it again, most of the credible sources you keep repeating didn't say anything until after Lavelle's poorly worded article. Then suddenly that became the re-tweet rage. I don't buy it, it feels recycled. We may never know what package they are negotiating on, but I don't know enough to say what it is would be fair or unfair. I only know the Twins FO doesn't like it, but that isn't much to go off of.
  21. Sorry, I think the terms are causing confusion. I meant a movement that will have an impact future elections and policy more than they have in recent cycles. It's an event meant to reinvigorate action going forward, not just be an event. That distinction has been sorely lacking in many protests.
  22. Right, we all agree that DeLeon by himself is not enough. I think most us also agree that is not the offer on the table, it doesn't pass the smell test.
  23. Exactly! You said what I've been getting at much better than I have. It's not content to just be a protest and you can see that. It wants to be a movement. A protest without a movement to follow (or without the protest being so significant it moves the needle) amounts to little more than noise. Today's march isn't noise, it's actually trying to be more than that. It's refreshing to see.
  24. A start implies a continuation afterward. My question to you was....does this actually happen? If not, then it wasn't much of a start to anything. It was just a thing. And then that thing ended. Usually with a bunch of dumb violence, a little bit of coverage, and then it's over. It's encouraging to me today that a real, valid protest that seems to want to be more than that is happening. I hope today is just a start and not just a thing for people to feel good about themselves for a day.
  25. I will give the Women's March credit, they seem to have organized a good, legit protest today. Good for them. Maybe it will inspire other movements to do a better job.
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