In my initial post, I need to point out I plainly stated I wasn't doing a Twins-Cards comparison, I was suggesting that it was a matter of Lohse finding the right franchise and then a comparison vs. all the rest. There are ways to adjust for the league differences and the relative decline in overall scoring ( FYI, as an aside- The difference between the leagues' ERA was 4% from 2002-2007 and it remained 4% from 2008-2012). There are 1.5 years of NL pitching stats embedded in Lohse's 02-07 stats, negating a good chunk of the AL/NL differential. For example, Lohse's ERA in the first half of his career is 7% above league average ERA (4.5 yrs. AL/1.5 yrs. NL), while his second-half career ERA is only 2% above NL averages for the same period- but that's not all. Adjusting and coupling that number with his improved FIP relative to ERA of the NL average (another 1.6% increase relative to his first half career relative ERA/FIP ratio, indicates that Lohse is close to league average in ERA, indicating a just-under 7% improvement in his pitching performance relative to the league he played in, from the first half of his career. Again, this may have just been a matter of maturity, and I think we may be talking past each other. By all accounts, Lohse is very happy in his mid-end starting role in St Louis, in contrast to the Twins and fans giving up on him, followed by the Twins giving him away for nothing, they simply didn't know what they had and dumped him at the EXACT LOW POINT of his career (WHIP: 1.65/ERA: 7.07). I freely admit to being among the frustrated while he was here, but he obviously had a healthy arm that had unappreciated value to a low-budget team replete with a lack of pitching depth. Can we agree that his subsequent career has merited being worth more than Zach Ward?