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So signing Sano, Arcia and Minier is a good thing, but signing Jiminez, Torres and Jorge Soler is a bad thing. Got it.
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See my post above, you're missing the point of my response to the poster in question. ( And I don't think you're being wildly optimistic about Gibson, I think he has good chance to be a long term #3 or even #2 guy answer for the Twins rotation). Also, the poster I responded to mentioned Harden as a viable SP candidate, not me. I threw in Perez because Rob Antony said he was signed with the intention of giving him a chance at gaining a spot in the rotation, not me. Regarding Hendriks, I think it says a lot about the Twins ability to analyze their pitching options, by keeping Hendriks on the 40-man last offseason and removing Deduno.
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Actually, the Gibson "growing pains" we are seeing now, along with some good measure of success would have already been tucked away with a much-deserved (and needed) May call-up. But this all misses my point in my response to the poster, he alleged that the Twins were counting on Gibson as part of "the plan", the Twins actions with him suggest that they were never counting on him and were instead counting their arb dollars saved by not promoting him sooner. You say they most definitely tried..... and they had a plan and executed on it.... and what did that get them? Still the worst SP staff in baseball....that suggests that they didn't know what they were doing (getting better options in the first place, or at least more options). Oh BTW, there was a lot of talk about the Dodgers having too many SP options- this example argues against your point of having too many pitching options. The Twins easily could have signed two more SPs to major league contracts. Using extended DL options like they have done at Rochester could easily have been employed at the start of the season for Pelfrey and Diamond. And Worley, obviously had options left (others also had options left, Diamond for sure, others besides???). So, yes, you can sign 8 pitchers for 5 available spots.
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Absolutely right. Furthermore, as of today, Jackson's FIP is a full run+ better than Correia's already----3.62 vs. 4.68----and their respective trends are going in the opposite direction.
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This has been rehashed in another thread. You disagree with the national and local consensus on what the Cubs have accomplished- right now your position on the matter is demonstrably on a lonely ledge. Of course, you ignore successful use of the Cubs strategy in signing talent with the intention of acquring more talent with available payroll dollars. BTW, Pedro Strop has made 10 appearances for the Cubs since the trade, and still sports a 0.00 ERA with a K/9 of 11.5. I think that is an argument that his career is now moving forward. Arrietta has turnaround talent- part of the crapshoot type of thinking that Ryan employs in finding bargain-basement talent. Let's see how it plays out. Of course, the deal was heavily employed to get the International slot money and the Cubs got the #1, # 3 and # 22 prospects, but you know that since we thoroughly hashed it out already. Villenueva starts tonight against Arizona, so....wrong. And a season-long 4.01 FIP is conveniently dismissed in your July ERA cherry-picking (oh, and his July FIP is 4.06, kind of important to get the whole picture). Fujikawa's FIP was 2.79, which also tells a more complete picture of his effectiveness before going down with injury. Injuries to both he and Baker are the price of doing business- there is risk involved, in this case, as with the Twins, affordable risk. Then there's Jackson. His FIP is 3.62, a victim of a low strand rate and a high BABIP- both numbers are wildly normalizing since June 6. Calling this signing a bust is wildly premature.
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1) Actually, I don't think many would have been all that upset. I, among many, advocated that if this was the route TR was taking, why not leave no stone unturned with the available monies? (Would a one-year deal in February for $1M more than the Mariners for Bazooka Joe Saunders have crippled the team in the long run? It sure would have stabilized the team in the short run.) It only makes sense given the payroll flexibility and the glaring needs, that the quantity over quality approach used in filling the bullpen so successfully by Ryan should also have been employed with the Rotation depth chart. 2) A very good point and a real puzzler. Given the acknowledgement by the team that they were effectively shut out of long-term SP options via FA, why wasn't there a more concerted effort in acquiring SP help on this proven and viable channel for talent-acquisition? (I hope it's not lingering Nishi-Shock Syndrome....)
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The club's actions regarding Gibson's "need for consistency" and the final timing of his promotion make it clear that they all along had no intention of promoting him until after he was safely past all potential arbitration strictures. This happened in the face of having the worst AL SP on a month-by-month basis- and the situation screamed to get a live and more viable arm into the situation sooner, not later. And despite your argument about "pitchers as spitballs"- that seems to me rather haughty, in and of itself-- I do take issue with you on FA pitching options, there were, in fact "clearly" more options out there- and there "clearly" was more money to spend in acquiring those options. Look at the Cubs and the strategy they employed as just one example. Relying on not one (Diamond), not two (Worley), not three (Pelfrey), not four (Perez), but five (Harden) potential starting pitchers on the depth chart with serious injury questions surrounding their potential effectiveness going into the season does leave the FO open to criticism concerning the questioning about how hard they really "tried" to effectuate their plan, your impatience nothwithstanding.
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$50M? So...... FA is not "dead", after all. We are back on the same page. Other than the fact that it hasn't been established by you if "FA can or can't get a team out of a down cycle." To many of us, using this route is just one more route in gathering talent in an effort to shorten the rebuilding phase-- and should work perfectly in the scenario that the Twins find themselves in, financially-speaking and (lack of)-talent-wise.
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Citation for this? Your side was praising the signings of Willingham, Doumit and Carroll last year. Look at how "dead" FA was for most of the rest of the Central Division in the offseason....not so much....
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The 25-man is already currently littered with guys who are not part of the future. If not Arcia, then why not just call up Pinto???- a guy who's supposedly a bright part of the future.... in a year invested by the Twins in seeing what they have to move forward with.....and....he's already on the 40-man, and..... there's more than a fighting chance he would have better major league PAs during this short stint than Drewbie.
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Excellent. As I've said all along, the Twins should be working the phones especially hard with the Bucs, Braves, Cards and Rays. They all have bullpen needs, have multiple prospects, and are operating on a limited budget.
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I don't see anyone on this thread being outraged. As has been pointed out, only 4 of 30 MLB teams are carrying 3 catchers. And only one of those 4 besides the Twins plays their catchers like the Twins do- and that's the Braves. (The Cardinals just called Rob Johnson up a week or so ago to protect themselves from Molina's precarious situation with his knee). The bench options for this very short stint without Mauer is pitiful. To emphasize the point- We lost Mauer's bat for maybe 3 games and replaced it with Butera's back-up glove. Shorthanding yourself by not having a legitimate situational bat needlessly----- over a highly unlikely, and far less-than-calamitous possibility of having to lose the DH for 1 or 2 ABs, for one night---- helps Gardy sleep better at night. Most other MLB managers? Not so much.
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Gene Glynn must be thrilled to have just picked up a Dead Man Walking....
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Did somebody tell Gardy? The decision to bring up Butera was likely made early in last night's game. Dick and Roy were actively bringing up the supporting reasons why Butera had to get the call-up due to the "dire situation" the Twins found themselves in with only 2 catchers.
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That's all well and good if that was what had happened. But.....Arcia struck out on a foul tip....this whole story is null and void! I guess we'll have to wait for a more definitive version of events than Gardy's account.
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Excellent point. But it goes back to the Twins philosophical decision in acquiring pitching is to go full economy-mode... pursuing quantity in terms of prospects and 3rd-tier reclamation projects over major league-proven quality options. A Venn Diagram of this construct shows very little intersection between these 2 sets. Right now, it's hard to envision the Twins ever going out beyond 1 or 2 years/$10M on any FA pitcher.
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I was waiting for just such a move, this seems like the logical time to do so. Just what is it about Pinto that makes the Twins hesitant about him? Is he really that much of a defensive liability that it makes it too risky to get his feet wet in AAA? Many of the pitchers he caught in New Britain are now pitching for the Red Wings already, so it's not like there's a lack of familiarity. And.... He certainly has nothing left to prove offensively in New Britain. Why not just swap out Fryer for Pinto?
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And what say you?
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Except that they were one and the same when they were negotiating with the local suckers who unfortunately failed to get the "being willing to" in writing.
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So, the State of Minnesota, Hennepin County and Twins fans everywhere were defrauded then?
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Some have gone off to be wildly successful (Liriano, Garza, Lohse, Dickey all come to mind), others have gone off to be "mildly successful"....and that's a standard that would qualify as front-end rotation guy on this Twins staff.
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So that official Twins FO meme, from as recently as 2011, about being able to compete with the large market teams for talented players- now that we have a new ball park, can officially be laid to rest, then?
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Hey! The oldsters are producing winning baseball since the All-Star break ended. Why not call up Jeff Clement to add to our all-star, building-for-the-future, geriatric bench? (FYI, Butera turns 30 in two weeks- he fits right in with the current "youth movement" going on with the call-ups of Cola [turns 30 in Oct,] and Bernier....look at the "youthful" infusion of energy that Clete has given us since his call-up...Thomas turns 30 in November....let's see, who besides Clement is ready for a promotion???....Richardson, Olmedo and Dinkleman all turn 30 this year). And I'm not complaining, just noting the irony. This latest stretch of games, especially Monday night and last night, have been the most entertaining of the year by far. Kudos to management for shaking things up and sending a message that jobs are neither guaranteed nor scholarshipped.
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What? For not running out a K?
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