DaveW

3 years in a row? They won 94 games in 2010...not sure how they totally lost interest after the break.

Your not very good at reading between the lines are you?

I guess my numbers were off...regardless its still a complete slap in the face to ask the guy to take a paycut. Especially when its the damn Yankees!! They ran him out of town, everyone up here knew it, apparently some rubes fell for it though...

But are they under-performing enough to justify canning the guy in the middle of the season? IMO No.

Lol, you have to be pretty dense to think the Yankees didn't run him out of town. They didn't offer him 5 million, they offered him 3 million (a two million dollar paycut) where if he won the world series he would make 5 million, that was as disrespectful as offers come.

Hicks continuing to play very very well. His OPS is now up to .836 and he is showing some legit HR power by hitting his 10th on the season. While 30/30 type production is a reach I think 20 HR 30 SB type production, can be expected in the majors at some point as he continues to grow. Couple that with elite defense in CF and the ability to have a high OBP...wow... this kid could be one of the best leadoff hitters in all of baseball.

With Hick's recent resurgence I am inclined to put him above Arcia at this point as well. Arcia has to mash in order to be an effective player while Hicks already will be an asset with his fielding, pitch selection and legs alone. With that said its a good argument to have since both players look like they could be all-star caliber type players in the big leagues.

They ran Torre out of town after one bad playoff series.

The point is, if you fire a manager mid season it is because they are clearly under-preforming by a very large amount and that by doing so it will hopefully cause the team to start playing well again. Are the Twins really under-preforming there skill set? Not really, most people said this would be a 90 loss team heading into the season, so its not like they were predicted to win 90 games and are all of a sudden playing like crap.

Maddon, Leyland, La Russa, Torre, Francona, Mattingly, Tom Kelly, Showalter (maybe). I'm sure there are others, but nobody has thrown out a reasonable replacement yet.

It is knee jerk if you suddenly fire him in the season after a bad series, wait until the end of the year, evaluate your options and then fire him if its the best decision moving forward. This isn't a Childress type situation where the team has stopped listening to him, stopped trying for him, I have yet to hear one such issue this year.

I was saying there is no point to fire him mid season. It makes zero sense. If you want to fire him after the season fine, I understand the arguments. I just would prefer we have some superior option to bring in then just firing him to fire him.

I am pretty happy with the Berrios draft pick, other than that they should have def traded Kubel, Cuddyer, Capps, Thome and Young by July 31st last year. Actually I don't really have much of a problem with them holding onto Cuddyer, I think they legitimately wanted to try to extend him at the time. The rest should have been gone.

Please. They are losing but since the awful start the Twins have more or less been playing .500 ball since mid May. Right now the team looks like it will win between 72-74 games, while that is nothing to write home about it is important to note that will be 10+ games better then last year. There is absolutely zero reason to fire him in the middle of the season, if you want to root for a team that has knee jerk reactions and fires people at will I suggest hopping on the New York Yankees bandwagon, I'm sure they have room for ya.

People gave up on Hicks way to soon, he was always a toolsy player with a huge upside (see Buxton) it just takes most prospects a few years to put it together, guys like Trout and Harper are the exception to the norm. I hope people remember this with Buxton's development as well.

Span would crack the lineup of any team in baseball. Most teams wouldn't mind Plouffes .855 OPS in the lineup as well, ditto with Doumit.

Yeah, I can't see it happening. He will be with the Cubs soon enough. Also Theo didn't fire Terry, Theo was forced to fire Terry and then left town.

Span and Liriano for Hamilton and Cigrani.

Yes please up the limit to at least 35, sometimes we need numerous flag dudes running across the screen to prove our point, look no further then itstimetotakeits "this should get the ban" for proof.

If we can get Francona then by all means we should do it. I just don't see it happening as he will be in Chicago sooner or later.

ctually the more I think about it the more I think they need to give him one more year. This year and last year aren't on Gardy, and at least with Ryan at the helm he was able to make some very nice moves in the off-season. In reality the Twins never had a shot this year. Let's see what Ryan can give Gardy to work with heading into 2013 and go from there. For all the people saying Gardy needs to go now, thats great. I have still yet to read one suggestion of a coach who would be a better replacement. I don't see us bringing in Leyland, Joe Maddon, Terry Francona or Joe Torre to the Twins cities any time soon.

I still don't think knee jerk firings solves anything. But maybe it's time to bring a more "hard ass" manager into this club. The amount of mistakes the past couple years has been an embarrassment. That said, I still think Gardenhire is a very good manager and one of the better ones in the game, it will be tough to replace him and often times the replacement won't be an upgrade, look no further then the Red Sox running Francona out of town to see an example. At the end of the day I say keep Gardy for another year. This I do know: Span needs to go, like right now. I don't know what the hell his problem is but for whatever reason he has looked like dog **** in the field the past few weeks and has somehow looked even worse on the basepaths then previously, his head is clearly not in the game. Someone said the "stress of trade rumors bothers him?" Well, at this point, I don't really care, act like a Damn professional out there ,sack up like a man and stop making boneheaded mistakes, yes sometimes things don't go the way you plan, get over it, your an adult. The guy has made Carlos Gomez look like a savvy veteran lately. Butera needs to go, not that he is a bad person, doesn't do the right things etc, the Twins need to set an example that they need MAJOR LEAGUE caliber players at every position. Alexi needs to go, trade him for a PTBL if thats all you can get, the kid has some talent but at this point he's a waste of a roster space and never going to get it together. If you are going to have some below average OF playing LF, for the love of God at least make sure they know: 1. How many outs there are. 2. Which base to throw to in which situation. It's one thing for Willingham to have zero range and misplay balls, it's another thing for him to throw to the wrong freaking base! That is stuff you learn in little league. I mean it was great he gave us 4 RBI and 2HR the other day, but when you are misplaying balls all over the place and throwing to the wrong base you are giving those runs right back. Get rid of Blackburn: I like the guy, I thought he was a solid pitcher and as a fellow Okie I have always been his biggest supporter, at some point we need to just get rid of players who don't factor into usual plans from here on out. Pray Capps can get healthy before the August 31st deadline and trade him for anything. Might as well see if Perkins or Burton can at least hold there own in the "save situations". Ditto with Pavano. I'm as big of a Twins homer as they come, but this last series was complete and utter garbage and truly an embarrassment.

To be honest I don't see why they wouldn't be sold on Parra who is basically a cheaper version of Span.

I would be thrilled if Sano turned out to be Hanley Ramirez.

What a complete disaster of a series. Not one good thing to take away from it.