DaveW

Luck is the real deal, but I wouldn't be shocked if RGIII regresses quite a bit, either way it would have been nice to at least get those picks STL got at the very least.

Span has a career OPS+ of 104, Parra has 93. Also his WAR was 3.2 higher last year then Parra's and has been quite a bit higher over the course of their careers Span (16.5 vs 4.8)

Yeah I was thinking about that too... He better be there on a MiLB contract in ST after all the guaranteed $ Ryan paid him last season to blow his arm off... I think he mentioned when he went down that he wanted to try to come back and pitch for the Twins. I'm sure there is at least a small part of him who feels he should give the Twins his first "chance"?

Brett Myers is an interesting guy we could bring in for cheap, give him a 1 year 2.5 mil contract if you need to fill out the rotation. I have no problem bringing in Webb (advocated it a couple years ago), but I seriously doubt he has anything left at this point, just make sure its a spring training invite only (and not a Zumaya contract) Speaking of Zumaya, would it be worth giving him another shot? (no guaranteed money of course!)

The question is pricetag. Span, with his concussions, could easily be a disaster with a much higher price tag. If you want to toss a lower offer and get Bourjos you might buy low and get a steal. If you want to pick a different term than roleplayer, go ahead. But he's not a star or centerpiece player. He can be a valuable piece, but slow your roll with him. Span had concussion issues for half a season, sure it is a bit of a risk but not as much as you are making it out to be. Other then 2011 he has been pretty healthy. He is only owed 11 million over the next two years, that really isn't that high of a price tag at all. His team friendly option in 2014 has a buyout of only 500k if absolutely everything goes wrong. At the end of the day the "risk" for Span is rather low. Again, I'm not saying they are going to trade him for Dylan Bundy or James Shields straight up (though that would be nice!) but he does have plenty of value on his own and can certainly be the centerpiece of a trade that brings back a very solid pitcher.

Span is a very good CF and leadoff man who is on a pretty team friendly contract. Revere is a slap hitting, noodle arm (albeit great range) who projects to be a PR and a 4th OF. The difference between Span and Revere is quite Large. Span's one real "weakness" is getting picked off to much, Revere's weaknesses include: zero arm, zero power, zero ability to draw a walk (because of his zero power) And I actually am one of the Revere supporters here, but its just reality.

Give me a break. Lohse are Garza were let go due to some clashes with the staff (I think Garza's were well overblown, and he was traded for what they thought was an impact bat when they were somewhat pitching heavy) Dickey was let go because he just wasn't that good,nor was he that good until he mastered the knuckle-ball (on his own), it was never a management/player issue.

All of those are probably true.

What about Trevor Plouffe? Are you implying trading him for Bauer straight up??? Yes. wow.....

You know whats more embarrassing? The Twins 2012 rotation.

Below average at best? Plenty of those players are perfectly fine players and possibly a better gamble if you believe Span is somehow going to land you a gem. That kind of pricetag is going to quickly steer people to Gomez, Bourjos, Gutierrez, etc that have bargain written all over them as buy-low options. We're exaggerating a bit here to believe that Span is somehow a shining beacon of value among this group. He should be in the upper half but hold your horses if you think you're going to put the screws to anyone over him. You can hope to push a bidding war, but that's only going to go so far given the problems with Span. (Concussions, lack of impactful speed, limited home run power) He's got plenty of pluses to his game, but he's not a star. He's a roleplayer, let's keep our expectations sane here. Span is a role player? lol He posted a 4 WAR last season, that is a little better then role player. I never said he is going to bring back some top tier prospect package or whatever, but with his history, contract and ability he should be able to bring back a very attractive package. Or you can always roll the dice with Carlos Gomez I suppose, let me know how that works out for the next team to sign that disaster.

What about Trevor Plouffe? Are you implying trading him for Bauer straight up???

lol Bauer is a top 5 prospect in all of baseball, you aren't going to get him for a mid 50's guy and Levi Michael who has very little trade value. The cost for Bauer starts at Sano+ Or potentially 2 of Hicks/Arcia/Rosario

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There is nothing to suggest that he will be anything but good. In his last 3 years he has a 2.95 ERA, and showed improvement last year quite a bit.

Cozart is interesting, as we would be buying low on him at this point. What happened to his speed? He had 30 SB in 2010 then totally dropped off. His defense is sound, is under team control til 2018 and if he could manage to put up a .720 OPS he would be the best long term SS the Twins have had in quite a while. He has some solid pop. I would definitely think hard about trading Revere for him straight up, since Revere's long term prospects are more of a 4th OF then an every day player. If it were me I'd make the swap in a heart beat.

I would gladly give up any of our 7-10 prospects for one great year from Dickey. So would any other team in baseball. I guess my question would be, where does that get us? If this is part of a major rotation re-vamp, and the Twins legitimately expect to contend with the Tigers next season, then sure. Count me in by all means. But if 2013 is going to be rebuilding under the guise of fielding a somewhat decent team -- which I guess I'm sort of resigned to believing, and am actually somewhat OK with for this year only -- then I'm not sure that getting an extra 8-10 wins (or whatever difference Dickey might provide) for just 1 season does it for me, regardless of how those #7-10 prospects eventually pan out. Scenarios: -The Twins are good, in addition to adding Dickey they are able to add another 2 pitchers from Free Agency since Dickey only costs 5 mil. -The Twins suck and the Twins are able to flip Dickey at the Deadline for a nice package. -The Twins are decent, but miss the playoffs, they hold onto Dickey for the year and then lose him at the end of the season. (But get a draft pick in return) -Any of the Scenarios above but they manage to sign Dickey to an extension. Again I'm not saying trade any of our top prospects, but any of the 7-10 is a no brainer. And if we could get an extension worked out with him (prior to completion of the trade) I wouldn't have a big issue tossing in a guy like Arcia as well.

Depends on where you're looking... CF Trade market is fairly deep, though weak at the top, highlighted by Span and Dexter Fowler most likely, and with a few guys like Lorenzo Cain, Carlos Gomez, Craig Gentry, Peter Bourjos, Gerardo Parra, Franklin Gutierrez, Wil Venable, and more that could be available depending on free agent signings. CF Free agent market is okay, though: Michael Bourn, BJ Upton, Angel Pagan, and Shane Victorino along with a collection of guys who could be non-tendered and guys who may or may not work in center defensively like a Josh Hamilton, Ichiro Suzuki, Juan Pierre, or Grady Sizemore. You realize that the only two available via trade that aren't below average (at best) are Span and Fowler, and I'm not sure if Fowler is even on the block. Ichiro and Pierre are not major league starting CF's at this point. Fowler's been strongly rumored in a move for pitching as the Rockies have some depth at the position ready to hit the majors (he's also a Georgia boy, so there's some ties that could lead to stronger interest by the Braves in Fowler than Span). However, note that other than Span and Fowler, I listed that the rest of that list COULD be available, not that they all were. As far as Pierre and Ichiro in CF, I wouldn't want them in CF for a team I was rooting for, for sure, but I could absolutely see some team thinking they could strike one last nugget of gold out of those guys in that position. What does him being a Georgia boy have anything to do with him being traded? If you are talking about a contract extension with him, fine that has merit, but the "they would prefer fowler over span because of his home state" is a little ridiculous. Also you realize Pierre hasn't played CF regularly in 5 years? And only played 3 full games at CF in the past 4 years. Which club is going to pencil him in for CF? And if there is a team dumb enough to do that, they aren't really going to be a trade partner/target for us anyways. Ditto with Ichiro, he has played 5 games in CF in the past 4 years. That's like claiming Michael Cuddyer is viable candidate for a starting 2B/SS role.

I would gladly give up any of our 7-10 prospects for one great year from Dickey. So would any other team in baseball.

I wish we could trade for Billy Hamilton

Couple thoughts: The Yankees are cutting payroll quite a bit over the next year, which means that Swisher is gone, and Grandersons future in pinstripes could be in doubt after next season. After the ALCS debacle the Yankees will be looking to add some legitimate offense to the team. Willingham is affordable and seems like a perfect fit for them. One guy I think we could target would be Ivan Nova, who still is young and under team control until 2017, his ERA etc weren't the greatest last season in a very tough AL East (tough ball park to pitch in as well) but looking closer at the data he managed to put up a 3.97 xFIP. Another guy we could potentially get in the trade as well would be Joba Chamberlin who seems to have fallen out of favor with the club. Joba is a bit of an enigma, but I would like to see if Cueller and Anderson could work with him a bit. So Willingham for Nova and Joba, interested?

Depends on where you're looking... CF Trade market is fairly deep, though weak at the top, highlighted by Span and Dexter Fowler most likely, and with a few guys like Lorenzo Cain, Carlos Gomez, Craig Gentry, Peter Bourjos, Gerardo Parra, Franklin Gutierrez, Wil Venable, and more that could be available depending on free agent signings. CF Free agent market is okay, though: Michael Bourn, BJ Upton, Angel Pagan, and Shane Victorino along with a collection of guys who could be non-tendered and guys who may or may not work in center defensively like a Josh Hamilton, Ichiro Suzuki, Juan Pierre, or Grady Sizemore. You realize that the only two available via trade that aren't below average (at best) are Span and Fowler, and I'm not sure if Fowler is even on the block. Ichiro and Pierre are not major league starting CF's at this point.

No worries. I am actually interested in both (at the right price), however I think Dickey has a significantly higher upside, and on a personal note seems like a really awesome guy to root for.

This actually isn't true. Teams make other moves in the offseason to fill corner OF spots. Frequently they put in washed up vets (for example RonDL White) and sometimes they put in unproven youngsters (Chris Parmelee). Sometimes they get a rebound or a breakout and sometimes they have an awful hole in their lineup and they are willing to overpay for a good bat. Of course Willingham could get injured... Yup this is why we were able to get Willingham in the first place. Teams are learning they don't need to over pay to get corner OF's with a bat. Hell I still can't believe Werth got that much money.

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