Brock Beauchamp
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Not to sound flippant but those 2000s Twins must have really not cared about winning games because they rolled out some pretty awful players as starters, much less 25th roster men. One bad roster move is a mistake. Five bad roster moves is a catastrophe. I don't see why this is so difficult to understand. I'm not even defending the Bartlett move, it was a bad one... But ultimately, its importance is questionable because the Twins literally had a dozen chances to minimize its impact and fumbled at nearly every turn. -
The two things are not the same. The same flawed thinking may be behind the decisions, but one is a mistake that can be absorbed; teams often have a junk player at the end of their bench. The other is a complete blunder that should not happen under any circumstances. You're essentially equating bumping another car in a parking lot with hitting a brick wall at 60mph. Both are due to bad driving, though they're hardly the same thing.
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Pelfrey was a gamble that didn't pan out and again, it looks due to injury. I wasn't crazy about the Pelfrey pickup but I understood their desire for depth after the past few years. It's hard to argue that the Twins have really lost anything, as they waived Worley and Diamond in favor of Pelfrey. No loss there. The problem is that they continue to pile on to that questionable move. Burton probably should have been waived in favor of a young pitcher. They not only didn't do that, they went and added Guerrier. *head explodes*
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I understand not wanting to use Parmelee as well but this was a "all hands on deck" situation. And really, should this team care if it loses Chris Herrmann at this point? There's 40 man roster space if they look at the roster objectively. Erik Fryer and Chris Herrmann. Who cares which one stays and which one goes? And don't get me started on the Guerrier move.
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There's a significant difference between making a bad decision with one roster spot and making a bad decision with five roster spots. One is a mistake that can be absorbed. The other makes you want to shotgun a bottle of Jack. Yesterday, the Twins had three shortstops (two of which don't belong on an MLB roster), three catchers (one of which doesn't belong on an MLB roster), and 13 pitchers (after a string of QA starts by the rotation), and one outfielder. That's not a 25th man problem, that's a "WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?" problem.
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All roster spots are important but the problem cascades when the Twins don't mistreat only the 25th spot but also mistreat the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th spots. That's basically the entire bench, which is what we saw yesterday. The thinking that leads a team to adding a relief pitcher to a roster that has strung together 4-6 quality starts while keeping Florimon and Herrmann on the roster is mind-blowing. If you let Gardy have a pet player as the 25th man, teams can get past that. It's not optimal but we've seen the Twins do it for years. Doesn't mean I like it but I guess I've been (probably too) apathetic toward that thinking, having seen it for years. When you continue to grossly mismanage down to the 20th or 21st man, you're going to get situations like we saw yesterday.
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Wilson has a long ways to go to the Majors. As for corner outfielders, they had options. They inexplicably chose not to use them, which is my entire point.
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The kid is shaking off the rust from a wrist injury in A+ ball. He's nowhere near the majors right now. If he had started the season as planned in AA, maybe... but not after the injury. No way.
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They are. Both have been as good or better than Alex Presley. Again, injuries. If not for Buxton's wrist, he'd be manning CF in New Britain right now and Wilson would probably be in Rochester.
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What I don't understand is the complaint that the Twins are giving bad ABs to marginal vets but then complain when they pick up a young player at the expense of an older guy who looked really bad in center. I don't like the last set of moves because the Twins got older and they lost a 25 year old pitcher in the process. I don't complain about the Mastro move for the same reason. If we want the Twins to get younger, we should be applauding them when they do it and rightfully complain when they do the opposite. The Twins went into last week with two centerfielders on the 25 man roster. In all but the most bizarre situations, that's enough to field a team. And you mentioned Herrmann... I think we're both in agreement that he never has and probably never will deserve to be on an MLB roster. But he's completely irrelevant to this conversation, as we both agree that the Twins should have called up someone to replace him long time ago.
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Chris Parmelee. I don't understand why he has such a bad rep as a defender. He's not flashy in the OF but he's perfectly acceptable in a corner spot and has looked much better than Arcia. And you continue to underestimate how long rebuilds take. The Twins graduated two top 100 prospects in the OF just last year.
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We agree that the Bartlett decision was dumb but I don't feel the loss of Presley was crippling, as evidenced by the acquisition of Fuld in his place, a guy who has been much better than Presley this season. And we can't have it both ways. This article is criticizing the Twins for going with aging veterans instead of prospects, a valid criticism given the Guerrier move. But it's pretty tough to criticize the Mastro release when the Twins used that spot to pick up Kenny Wilson, a 24 year old centerfielder. They released Mastro, a guy who has lost a step and never looks to be a legitimate MLB player again, and acquired a young guy with marginal upside. Isn't that the type of move we generally applaud? The Twins lost four outfielders in a matter of four weeks. Any team is going to suffer under those circumstances. The real blunder in my mind is not attempting to fix this situation (which, again, was only for one game) by calling up some, you know, outfielders to patch together a roster for 1-2 games while Hicks gets ready to return. As of today, the Twins now have a centerfielder on the roster again. In my eyes, the problem wasn't that they were missing a centerfielder for a single game, the problem is that they didn't do anything about it while the minor league team was just 140 miles away. Call up Parmelee and maybe Arcia yesterday and this situation is still ugly but it's not catastrophic. At that point, the team has multiple (bad) options in the outfield for a single game and all you lose is roster chaff like Florimon and Herrmann in the process.
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Fantastic. Thanks, Seth and Diane!
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The only metric that has another starter better than Deduno is fWAR, which is a junk stat for past performance, as it relies on what should have happened, not what actually happened. Good for future predictions, not good at telling us what actually happened.
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Great article, Nick. In my opinion, this doesn't even boil down to the 25th roster spot. The Bartlett decision was dumb but it wasn't irreversible. Alex Presley has been Aaron Hicks this year. The two players are interchangeable, as evidenced by their 64 and 66 OPS+. What corks me the most about this entire situation is that the Twins had a bad roster situation and when faced with this adversity, they made the most incomprehensible move imaginable: they swapped relief pitchers. They bungled not only the 25th roster spot but the 22nd, 23rd, 24th, and 25th roster spots. That will kill a team. They had better options in the minors, they simply sat on their hands instead of doing something about it. To add insult to injury, they (again) showed favor to an aging veteran instead of going with the perfectly good option they already had on the roster or one of the (probably better) young options they had waiting in the minors. They had the ability to patch together a semi-competent offense and duct tape together an outfield for one game (a game which they lost because their pitchers gave up nine runs, not because of defensive or offensive shortcomings). They didn't do it and they deserve a lot of flak for the decision.
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Article: What To Do With Chris Parmelee?
Brock Beauchamp replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Dude turned into a pumpkin in a hurry. I had hope for him, given how he looked so solid at the plate in the early going. -
Alex Meyer Rerun or just showing More Consistency
Brock Beauchamp replied to jokin's topic in Twins Minor League Talk
I'm not so sure... If Meyer continues to throw a clunker every 3-4 starts, yeah, he'll struggle to get to Minnesota. But if he starts pitching consistently at a dominant level, I think we see him sooner rather than later, and probably by the end of July as Correia is shipped to, well... somewhere else, I don't really care. -
Twins Option Florimon, Herrmann
Brock Beauchamp replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
Shortstop is fine. They have five of them on the roster. Six if you count Guerrier. -
Or maybe I'm just capable of blaming them for one thing but not something else completely unrelated that happens to other teams all the time.
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Let's stay on topic. Someone made a baseless accusation about Arcia's wrist injury lingering, implying incompetence because a player once had a wrist injury and later did not after he had an offseason to heal. I responded. This has nothing to do with pilots missing airports or roster moves. The comment was made specifically about Arcia's wrist injury.
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You're right. Make baseless accusations, that's always the right move. Gather up a posse, we'll lynch the bastards.
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Ah, Pelrey did edge him out. Anyway, Deduno was easily better than Pelfrey, Worley, Hendriks, and the rest of the junk they rolled out in 2013. The only guy who had similar win value was Correia and it took him 80 more innings to basically equal Deduno. Therefore, Deduno was the best pitcher. Basically tied Correia for win value but did it in 60% of the innings.
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Yeah, wrist injuries never linger for players who don't play for the Twins.
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ERA+, K/9. He pitched about half a season and was the only above average (barely, at that) starter for the Twins in 2013. Correia was the only other guy that had a positive bWAR and despite pitching 185 innings to Deduno's 108, only edged him by .1 bWAR (1.6 to 1.5). Deduno was clearly the best starter on the team when he was healthy, as sad as that is to say.
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Sounds like somebody set off a logic bomb in the front office.
