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    Wednesday Notes From Ft. Myers: A Speedy Loss


    Nick Nelson

    After beating the Baltimore Orioles 10-9 in Sarasota on Tuesday, the Minnesota Twins returned to Hammond Stadium for a home rematch today, losing 3-2 in a contest that featured far fewer fireworks. This was a quick one, finishing in just two hours and 15 minutes.

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    * Ervin Santana's third Grapefruit start didn't go quite as smoothly as the first two, as he allowed three runs on four hits -- including a two-run homer by Jonathan Schoop on a slider that didn't slide much -- but he looked fine. He aggressively threw the ball in the zone and got several swinging misses.

    * Today was a split-squad day, so the other half of the team was at JetBlue Park facing the Red Sox, and also lost 3-2. It sounds like Mike Pelfrey had a very nice outing over there, allowing one run on three hits over four innings with three strikeouts and no walks.

    Pelfrey's doing everything needed to keep pace in the fifth starter race. From my view, it's between him and Tommy Milone. If the Twins truly are unwilling to use Pelf in the bullpen, that might be deciding factor, all things being equal.

    * So, you might ask, what about Alex Meyer and Trevor May? Neither has really done anything to take himself out of the running, but they definitely appear to be trailing in this competition.

    I get it. It could be argued that Meyer and May are the best two options, especially from a long-term perspective, but they aren't established big-leaguers like Milone and Pelfrey (nor do they have multi-million dollar contracts, for what it's worth). In fact, the Twins actually have some incentive to start the two young hurlers in the minors, as it would extent their service clocks.

    * Eddie Rosario has been getting plenty of starts in the outfield, and seems to be doing good things everyday. In today's game, he gunned down Delmon Young at second with a strong throw from the left field corner on what initially looked like an easy double.

    Rosario also drove in the Twins' second run, ripping a liner to the opposite field on a 1-2 count for a sacrifice fly. It was the second consecutive day in which Rosario got a big hit after falling behind, fouling off a few pitches until he got one he could do something with.

    "He's an aggressive free swinger," said Joe Vavra, who was acting as manager with Paul Molitor across town. "He looks like he's going to be a bad-ball type hitter that's going to make contact … I don't think he's ever out of an at-bat."

    I can't see him unseating Aaron Hicks (who went 1-for-4 with a triple against the Red Sox) in center field, but Rosario is having a hell of a spring on the heels of an outstanding performance in the Arizona Fall League.

    * Brian Dozier said one of his main goals here in camp is to build a rapport with Danny Santana.

    It's becoming increasingly obvious that Santana will be the starting shortstop this season. Last year, he spent most of his time in center field, so the two had little opportunity to mesh up the middle.

    "I told Danny that we've gotta get to know each other better," Dozier said. "It's not just about making plays, double plays, things like that. It's more the communication, positioning, that kind of thing."

    Today, however, it was Eduardo Nunez on the other side of the bag, with Santana playing with Molitor and Co. at JetBlue.

    * Dozier was in the No. 3 spot again today, batting behind Joe Mauer. Molitor has intimated that this might be how things shake out on Opening Day.

    Dozier said he doesn't care where he hits and doesn't change his approach based on his spot in the lineup, although he obviously will try different things at the plate based on what the game situation dictates.

    He's sure looking like a three-hitter right now. He hit another double, giving him four extra-base hits in the three games I've watched. Even his outs have been loud -- two of them came on deep outfield liners today.

    He was unsurprisingly subdued about the big numbers: "Yeah, I've had a little success early, but that is what it is."

    Sure… but still. I've got to imagine he's wishing the regular season started tomorrow.

    * Vavra, who was the hitting coach when Dozier first arrived in the majors back in 2012, spoke a little after the game about the second baseman's evolution as a hitter.

    "He's getting on that high fastball pretty good," Vavra said. "He works really hard on a routine and getting on top of pitches. When he first came up he was hitting the ball in the air too much. So he made a point to really working on getting on top of the ball."

    "They can beat him up there, but if they don't, he gives it a pretty good ride."

    * The Twins will face off against the Rays tomorrow in Port Charlotte, with Ricky Nolasco getting the start at 12:05 CT.

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    Are you sure that a team with Rosario at CF and Escobar at SS, does not beat them both?  Santana is not that great fielding SS and is a worse Centerfielder, and Rosario is better with the bat than him. 

    I have been an advocate of Rosario in center from the first!  Mientkiewicz (the old school house rock commercial still helps me spell his name) said that he was major league ready and that his bat was the best in our farm system (including Buxton and Sano).  He was able to watch him day in and day out while managing him.  Molitor seems to love the kid.  Others more knowledgeable than me on this blog seem to think it's a given that he's sent down though.  

     

    In 2015, probably. But in 2016, a team with a MLB-experienced Santana at SS and Buxton in center probably beats a team with a non-MLB-experienced Santana at SS and Buxton in center. And the chances of contending in 2016 (and 2017) are much higher than in 2015. That's what Molitor, correctly, sees. I think the Twins will be decent this year, exceed expectations, and maybe even get close to .500, but making the playofffs in 2016 and 2017 is just way more important than getting a couple games closer to .500 this year. That's how I see it, anyway, and I think that is how Molitor sees it.

    Why play hard in 2015 if we're committed to 2016/2017?  Some guys might not be around then.  Do you think Plouffe and Dozier will be as good then as now?  Perkins?  Mauer?  I think we've seen the damage of perpetually rebuilding.  I firmly believe the team needs to learn to compete, to play with pressure, and to win.  If Meyer can't out-compete Milone, how can he best Sale or Verlander in a big series?  As for Santana, I promise he'd get plenty of reps at short.  I would expect Rosario or Buxton to force their way in by midseason.  I also don't think it's automatic that Santana has a better career than Escobar.  Shouldn't we be sure about which one's actually better vs. has more potential? 
     

     

    Why play hard in 2015 if we're committed to 2016/2017?  Some guys might not be around then.  Do you think Plouffe and Dozier will be as good then as now?  Perkins?  Mauer?  I think we've seen the damage of perpetually rebuilding.  I firmly believe the team needs to learn to compete, to play with pressure, and to win.  If Meyer can't out-compete Milone, how can he best Sale or Verlander in a big series?  As for Santana, I promise he'd get plenty of reps at short.  I would expect Rosario or Buxton to force their way in by midseason.  I also don't think it's automatic that Santana has a better career than Escobar.  Shouldn't we be sure about which one's actually better vs. has more potential? 
     

    Because you won't have a chance to contend in 2016/2017 if you don't play hard in 2015. You need to see who is good (maybe you are right, and Santana won't be able to handle SS, but you won't know if the guys don't play their hardest in 2015). And obviously there is some chance to contend in 2015, even if it is small. And you want fans to keep coming, for many reasons. So I don't think it follows from the fact that Molitor thinks there is a much higher chance of competing in 2016 or 2017 that the team should just dog it in 2015. It probably doesn't make sense for Molitor to even admit publicly they have little chance in 2015, even if he thinks its true. That's just common sense psychology.

     

    I think Dozier will be around and good then, but Plouffe will probably be traded by then. Perkins and Mauer might not be quite as good, but (1) they were not that great last year, (2) they might not be that good this year, and (3) there are a lot of potential replacements for them on the way. On balance, I think it is likely the Twins will be significantly better in 2016 and 2017. If you disagree, fine. There is always risk in prospects, true, but the current number and quality of them reduces that overall risk somewhat, and makes the upside pretty high.

     

    I'm definitely not against figuring out who we want going forward. In fact, that is what I want by starting Santana at SS. We've seen Escobar at SS, and he was pretty good, I'm not denying that. But Santana has higher upside, so let's give him a shot. Escobar should certainly get plenty of playing time as the backup infielder. And if Santana falters at SS, then we can go back to Escobar. You say you want to see which one "is better and has more potential" but if you put Escobar at SS, we'll never know Santana's potential. We already know Escobars.

     

     

    I'm definitely not against figuring out who we want going forward. In fact, that is what I want by starting Santana at SS. We've seen Escobar at SS, and he was pretty good, I'm not denying that. But Santana has higher upside, so let's give him a shot. Escobar should certainly get plenty of playing time as the backup infielder. And if Santana falters at SS, then we can go back to Escobar. You say you want to see which one "is better and has more potential" but if you put Escobar at SS, we'll never know Santana's potential. We already know Escobars.

     

    I am fine with building, just not perpetual rebuilding.  I just don't think it's a good model to play guys based on "what ifs" or strictly potential if you've got suitable proven options available.  I think a lack of competition at the position mixed with losing a lot of games is dangerous combination regarding development of young players.  I think our player development has been stunted by a lack of hard work and competition more than a lack of experience at the big-league level.  When guys are competing for spots, they play harder, and work harder, and subsequently win more. 

    Players are motivated by winning, money, and playing time.  The more of those factors you take out, the less motivated your players are going to be.  That means stunted prospect development, and vets with bad contracts and low trade value.

     

     

    I think our player development has been stunted by a lack of hard work and competition more than a lack of experience at the big-league level.  When guys are competing for spots, they play harder, and work harder, and subsequently win more. 

    Players are motivated by winning, money, and playing time.  The more of those factors you take out, the less motivated your players are going to be.  That means stunted prospect development, and vets with bad contracts and low trade value.

    I don't get where this idea of lack of hard work comes from. Certainly, there are a couple of guys on this team that could be criticized for that (Hicks, mabye one or two others). But there is often one or two like that on most teams. Santana has worked his butt off by all accounts, and it just seems like baseless pop psychology to claim there is some kind of culture of losing with the Twins. And if there has been a culture of losing, which I don't have any team-wide evidence for and therefore am NOT asserting, it probably has much more to do with management (Gardy & Ryan) than it does with players. I am very very confident that Molitor will not allow there to be such a culture. He may be many things, but someone who allows a culture of losing is certainly not one of them.

     

    I'm not saying that if Santana plays SS and is terrible for many weeks or months at a time, he should automatically stay there. Playing him at SS is part of the competition that you want. I'm all for competition, especially in a year where we are unlikely to be contending, but you'll never have a competition for Santana at SS if you never give him a chance there. And I'd rather have that competition this year than next year, when Buxton will be in CF.

     

    I am very very confident that Molitor will not allow there to be such a culture. He may be many things, but someone who allows a culture of losing is certainly not one of them.

     

    Again, this seems more based on perception or potential than anything.  Molitor hasn't managed one regular season game yet.  I'm not so much saying we have a culture of losing, so much as saying human nature plays a role.  Santana is a perfect example of someone who works hard and is earning his chance.  Same with Escobar.  Hicks?  Schaeffer?  Blue-chippers with a history of failure and more failure?  Hicks and Schaeffer both seem to be working hard now that their livlihood and playing time is at risk.  So hopefully they'll push each other (and Buxton/Rosario will push them both).  I would expect there may well be a change of Santana to short and Buxton/Rosario to center at some point THIS year.  I guess I just don't see the point in fielding a worse team to begin the season when all the teams are tied in the standings with the assumption that we'll be out of it by June just to get Santana more reps at short in April and May, when we have the rest of the season, all off-season, and Polanco and Gordon not all that far off.  Then again, when we're 12 out of it in June and Escobar is batting .234 I'll probably say you were right.

     

     

    Again, this seems more based on perception or potential than anything.  Molitor hasn't managed one regular season game yet.  I'm not so much saying we have a culture of losing, so much as saying human nature plays a role.  Santana is a perfect example of someone who works hard and is earning his chance.  Same with Escobar.  Hicks?  Schaeffer?  Blue-chippers with a history of failure and more failure?  Hicks and Schaeffer both seem to be working hard now that their livlihood and playing time is at risk.  So hopefully they'll push each other (and Buxton/Rosario will push them both).  I would expect there may well be a change of Santana to short and Buxton/Rosario to center at some point THIS year.  I guess I just don't see the point in fielding a worse team to begin the season when all the teams are tied in the standings with the assumption that we'll be out of it by June just to get Santana more reps at short in April and May, when we have the rest of the season, all off-season, and Polanco and Gordon not all that far off.  Then again, when we're 12 out of it in June and Escobar is batting .234 I'll probably say you were right.

     

    Good chemistry and winning culture usually follow winning not the other way around. It's been a long time since we've heard of a really good team having bad chemistry and a losing culture.  Seems it's been even longer, if ever, that we've heard of a bad team having good chemistry and winning culture.

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