What Could the Boston Red Sox Offer for Joe Ryan?

3 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

Exactly. Any trades of a guy like Joe Ryan, even the suggestion, for highly rated lower level players should be ignored. The recent playoffs highlighted absolutely the importance of strong starting pitching for those clubs who strive to play for a World Series trophy. I cannot fathom top teams like Milwaukee or Detroit ceding their places at the table by trading Tarik Skubal or Freddy Peralta. That would be crazy. No rookie could replace those pitchers.

The Twins are not anywhere near an invitation to the postseason. A recent podcast of national writers discussed that the Twins were likely to fall below the White Sox without numerous changes. No true Twins fan wants Joe Ryan to be traded and there are many who just can't accept the team moving Ryan. However, if one considers that there SHOULD be a few teams that feel they are one good starting pitcher away, Ryan could certainly return players who could quicken the Twins return to relevance.

I have forwarded Tyler Soderstrom as one name. Steve Adams and Anthony Franco of mlbtraderumors posited that Sacramento would benefit from trading Soderstrom for a top pitcher. I believe the Twins might need to add Alan Roden and maybe Charlee Soto to convince the Athletics of a deal. There are other opportunities but they mostly involve prospects or somewhat uncertain players. The Red Sox have bodies. My interest there would begin with Ceddanne Rafaela and demand two more from Arias, Mayer, Tolle, Casas, and Perales. The Tigers should be calling and this is a big ask - Max Clark. There shouldn't be limits on the ask. Teams need to strongly evaluate their windows. Teams that squirm can return to fighting for a Wild Card shot or be happy winning 81 games.

My expectations mirror what TopGunn#22 wrote - demand a good and fair return for Joe Ryan or keep him.

I agree with everything you stated.  I listened to the same podcast where MLBTR folks talked about trading Tyler Soderstrom.  They also mentioned Shea Langeliers as a potential trade chip, although, Soderstrom would be preferable.  

The Tigers would be crazy to trade Skubal, but it's unlikely they will agree on an extension before he hits the FA market.  I read recently that if, and it's a big if, Skubal becomes available, the Mariners would make a big push for Skubal.  Buster Olney reported that the Mariners would be the expected suitor for Skubal.  That surprises me because the Mariners rotation is all under team control through at least 2027.  

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/mlb/seattle-mariners/should-the-mariners-go-all-in-on-trade-for-ace-skubal/1828033

Nevertheless, I wonder if that is specific to Skubal or if the Mariners would entertain a trade for Ryan.  Based on the proposed trades for 1 year of Skubal, I don't think it would be out of line asking for Colt Emerson and Harry Ford for Ryan with 2 years of control. 

Seattle is expecting to bring back Naylor and also make a push for Suarez.  They have ~$35M to spend and that lines up well with both Naylor and Suarez potential projected contracts.  That would ease the burden on the need for Emerson.  

Regardless, as you mention, the Twins need to talk to every team and get the very best possible return.    

31 minutes ago, Chembry said:

I agree with everything you stated.  I listened to the same podcast where MLBTR folks talked about trading Tyler Soderstrom.  They also mentioned Shea Langeliers as a potential trade chip, although, Soderstrom would be preferable.  

The Tigers would be crazy to trade Skubal, but it's unlikely they will agree on an extension before he hits the FA market.  I read recently that if, and it's a big if, Skubal becomes available, the Mariners would make a big push for Skubal.  Buster Olney reported that the Mariners would be the expected suitor for Skubal.  That surprises me because the Mariners rotation is all under team control through at least 2027.  

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/mlb/seattle-mariners/should-the-mariners-go-all-in-on-trade-for-ace-skubal/1828033

Nevertheless, I wonder if that is specific to Skubal or if the Mariners would entertain a trade for Ryan.  Based on the proposed trades for 1 year of Skubal, I don't think it would be out of line asking for Colt Emerson and Harry Ford for Ryan with 2 years of control. 

Seattle is expecting to bring back Naylor and also make a push for Suarez.  They have ~$35M to spend and that lines up well with both Naylor and Suarez potential projected contracts.  That would ease the burden on the need for Emerson.  

Regardless, as you mention, the Twins need to talk to every team and get the very best possible return.    

As an extension to the Tigers/Skubal situation, I wonder if there's a world where the Tigers could trade Skubal and turn around and trade for Ryan.  Ryan isn't Skubal, but it could be a way for them to thread the needle of remaining competitive in their open window while not allowing Skubal out the door for only a comp pick in return.  I don't know exactly how much the extra year of control Ryan carries would translate for value purpoeses, but the Tigers probably net out positively in terms of prospects in that kind of sequence of events.

If Skubal is made available, then lots of teams will be interested.  Only one of them will get him though, and all those other teams plus the Tigers could potentially turn their interest toward Ryan