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Red Cow or Tony O's cuban sandwich?
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Thanks Mike, Santana absolutely does NOT help attendance. Winning does and if you go into next year with possibly a worse pitching staff next year than this year it could even get worse. I just can see their being much hope next year (perceived or real) with Gibson, Duffy, Berrios, May and somebody else or different combination of rookies. We seen what happens with young guys this year on offense. But if you can combine him with a prospect or two for a high end prospect that makes some sense. But it isn't like we need to dump Santana for the money or because he is horrible. Imagine if Gibson finally lives up to his potential next year and Berrios is doing a Johan or F-Bomb imitation, and the rest of the staff is Duffy being Duffy, May failing to make it out of the sixth, and none of the other rookies doing anything, We will have to give up more to get a Santana like pitcher than we got for him. Or you say 2017 is worthless, and in that case dump or cut everybody and tell the fans we are now thinking 2020 is our year.
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This is where long-range planning happens. Where does Santana fit into the picture...today...regarding 2017 and 2018 vs. possible replacement by a mid-level free-agent (wait, isn't that Santana) or working prospects. Well if you plan on contending in 2017 he is your 1 or 2 and if things start out bad next year he will have just as much value if he is pitching decent with less money on the books and if he isn't just more wasted money, not my money and in my opinion they have not shown they spend saved money well. If you trade Santana and don't do anything to get better starting pitchers than him next year, Target field will be empty because they would be showing it is another wasted year. Gibson, Berrios, May, Duffy and Wheeler (Ricky/Tommy or Phil) are not putting butts in the seats. Saying all this, if they could package him with Meyer and Polanco and bring somebody back that close to the big leagues I would be for it, but getting a single A pitcher that is years away isn't worth it.
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I don't understand the rush to trade Santana and Dozier. If it is for the money do you really expect the twins are going to go out and spend that money and if they do how much of an upgrade will it be? If it is for prospects I get that, you can never have enough, but don't we have that now, we have so many we can't find a place for them (Outfield). If the hitters progress next year and do what we hope/expect, won't we be in the situation next year were we are looking for a veteran hitter and a starting pitcher? If Rosario, Buxton, Kepler, Sano, Park/Vargas do what we hope, Mauer stays Mauer, and Escobar is solid and we get anything out of catcher we have more than enough to contend for the central regardless of who is playing 2nd, but if it is Polanco and he is struggling we (fans) will be demanding we go out and get a 2nd baseman. Which will probably cost more than we get for Dozier. But we have nothing for starting pitchers next year, Gibson and rookie Berrios. Maybe Duffy figures it out and maybe May becomes a starter (I don't see it) and that is it Rick, Tommy and Phil should be gone by then. So we are going to have to get a couple of starters from a terrible FA pool, or hope and pray rookies can do it, how often does that work. But if you add Santana to that list is doesn't look great but it doesn't look impossible either. If the team is doing well, you can trade from some of our depth in the mirrors for another starter next year.
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Tentative Roster for 2017 ST: C: Centeno/Murphy/Garver/FA? 1B: Mauer/Vargas/Park 2B: Polanco SS: Escobar 3B: Sano RF: Kepler/Grossman CF: Buxton LF: Rosario/Grossman DH: Park/Vargas Bench: IF: Beresford OF: Grossman/Granite? Bat: Vargas/Park Catcher #2 SP: Berrios SP: Gibson SP: May SP Duffey SP: Buy Low High Risk/Reward FA. (Wheeler in AAA, Hughes potential return in second half) Bullpen: (Very Fluid) CL/SU: Chargois CL/SU: Hildenberger CL/SU:Pressly MR: Boshers MR: Tonkin MR: Melotakis LOOGY: Rogers Going into 2017 with this team you are giving up on another year. It is loaded with guys that strikeout out and don't really get on base. It is kind setup up like this years lineup. (I can't even come up with a major league lineup with that group)You are basically gambling on all 9 positions and expecting at minimum league average from guys that have never really done that. On top of that the bench is terrible. Same with the bullpen, nobody in that Pen has really ever had any real major league success. I like all are young prospects but I don't think you can run out a full team of them at the major league level and win. Looks like 2017 will be more of the same as 2016. I am not trying to insult you, I guess I am saying sucks for us Twins fans!
