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Byron Buxton was carted off the field during Monday evening's Twins scrimmage after appearing to suffer an injury to his left leg. TUESDAY UPDATE: Buxton suffered no structural damage. Buxton suffered a "mid-foot strain." He is considered day-to-day. It is likely that he will wear a walking boot for the next couple of days."We're at our best with Buck. That's a pretty easy statement to make." Those were the words of Twins manager Rocco Baldelli during a brief press conference following Monday night's intrasquad scrimmage. Right now, the Twins aren't sure how long they might be without Buxton. In a short season, every game counts extra, but injuries are to be expected. "We also know that we're going to have to have many guys step up over the course of this short season," Baldelli noted. "We're going to be dealing with adversity." Aaron Gleeman of The Athletic shared video of Buxton being helped off the field. MORE FROM TWINS DAILY — Latest Twins coverage from our writers — Recent Twins discussion in our forums — Follow Twins Daily via Twitter, Facebook or email Click here to view the article
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"We're at our best with Buck. That's a pretty easy statement to make." Those were the words of Twins manager Rocco Baldelli during a brief press conference following Monday night's intrasquad scrimmage. Right now, the Twins aren't sure how long they might be without Buxton. In a short season, every game counts extra, but injuries are to be expected. "We also know that we're going to have to have many guys step up over the course of this short season," Baldelli noted. "We're going to be dealing with adversity." Aaron Gleeman of The Athletic shared video of Buxton being helped off the field. https://twitter.com/AaronGleeman/status/1282813811263770624 Buxton was icing his ankle, elevating and awaiting more imaging. We should know more tomorrow, but Dan Hayes of The Athletic reported that the Twins are optimistic. That's obviously encouraging, given how severe this appeared to be initially. https://twitter.com/HagemanParker/status/1282857050633048064 Potentially being without Byron is obviously not ideal, but is a familiar circumstance the Twins have found themselves in over the years. Max Kepler has made 97 starts in center field over the past two seasons, so it would be a safe assumption Kepler would be who Baldelli would turn to should Buxton miss any time. Swinging Max to center creates a spot in a corner that would likely be filled by either Marwin Gonzalez or Jake Cave. TUESDAY UPDATE: Baldelli was on MLB Network Radio and passed along the news that Buxton did not suffer any "structural damage or injury that they could find." https://twitter.com/MLBNetworkRadio/status/1283084193413632002 MORE FROM TWINS DAILY — Latest Twins coverage from our writers — Recent Twins discussion in our forums — Follow Twins Daily via Twitter, Facebook or email
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Miguel Sanó Tests Positive for COVID-19
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I don't believe players are being tested for antibodies at this time. Keeping this to the context of baseball, MLB will continue to regularly test players who have previously tested positive. If they test positive a second time, they will have to go through the quarantine/two negative tests/approval process again prior to returning to work.- 45 replies
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Miguel Sanó Tests Positive for COVID-19
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If you eliminate uncertainties, sure, but as you alluded to, there's no guaranteeing a player who contracts the virus is not going to have complications. Additionally, at this time it appears antibodies only last for so long. It is possible to test positive, recover, then test positive a second time some point down the road.- 45 replies
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The Show Must Go On: Eliminated
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Miguel Sanó Tests Positive for COVID-19
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Yesterday we got the news that Willians Astudillo, Nick Gordon and Edwar Colina all tested positive for COVID-19. Today, we learned that Miguel Sanó is the fourth player on the Twins Summer Camp to test positive.Sanó was tested as part of the standard intake policy for camp and has been quarantined. He did not participate in the first workout at Target Field yesterday or on Saturday. There have not been any specific reports on how Miguel is feeling, but we wish him the very best in his recovery. Baldelli said that he will be talking to Sano and Willians Astudillo on Saturday afternoon. UPDATE: Sano is feeling well and is not experiencing any symptoms. Additionally, Rocco Baldelli noted that Byron Buxton is expected to fly to the Twin Cities on Sunday morning. He will go through his intake testing, but Baldelli also noted that there would be another round of testing. So all players have OTHER NOTES Official practices at CHS Field will begin on Sunday. Some of the players were at Target Field earlier this week, and they were all tested. They'll start in the morning and Baldelli will address the group tomorrow as well. The last two days, they haven't been able to do anything. They set up CHS.At the end of the team meeting this morning, Cruz was honored for his Muhammad Ali Humanitarian Award. Cruz then had some words for the group. "He told our guys that we have no excuses. We're going to go out there. We're going to prepare. We're going to do our jobs. We could look at this pessimistically, but we're not going to. We're going to look at this in the most optimistic way we can. We're never going to make an excuse. We're going to go out there and get the job done, and that was his message to the group. It was great."MORE FROM TWINS DAILY— Latest Twins coverage from our writers — Recent Twins discussion in our forums — Follow Twins Daily via Twitter, Facebook or email Click here to view the article
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Sanó was tested as part of the standard intake policy for camp and has been quarantined. He did not participate in the first workout at Target Field yesterday or on Saturday. There have not been any specific reports on how Miguel is feeling, but we wish him the very best in his recovery. Baldelli said that he will be talking to Sano and Willians Astudillo on Saturday afternoon. UPDATE: Sano is feeling well and is not experiencing any symptoms. Baldelli said that he's heard reports from players noting that, "Miguel is chomping at the bit to get out here. He's talking to different people." He continued, "As soon as we get the clearance, he's going to be out here. We know he's been working hard. So I'm looking forward to seeing him." Per MLB's safety protocols, a player who tests positive will be isolated from his team until he tests negative twice at least 24 hours apart, shows no symptoms for a 72-hour period and is granted approval to return by a doctor and a joint MLB/MLBPA committee. "I think whether we're talking about our team or anyone else, I think when you see anyone you know, people you're familiar with, friends and family, affected by this, it really does hit home. 100 percent. It becomes very real when you see it first-hand. When it's only something you see on television or people discussing around town or it's on the news, I think someone could look at that and not feel like it's as big of an issue. I personally believe that this is a huge issue that we're all dealing with and I know the importance of it. But everyone might not have the same exact perspective. I do think that when it does it home is when it affects the people around you." Baldelli held the team's meeting, "spread out in the outfield." "One thing that we talked about was making sure that the guys know that they have a voice. We want to know how they're feeling. It's very important for all of us and for all of them to feel very open and free to talk about these things. Whether they feel good about things or they feel apprehension. It helps us, but more importantly, it helps the player to be able to say these things. We aren't going to be able to help until we have that open dialogue going. We have a good group for that. Our guys are really good about feeling good about talking about whatever they want to talk about." The one other notable absence from Friday’s workout was Luis Arráez, but here he is taking batting practice at Target Field today. https://twitter.com/andluedtke/status/1279478138288902144 Additionally, Rocco Baldelli noted that Byron Buxton is expected to fly to the Twin Cities on Sunday morning. He will go through his intake testing, but Baldelli also noted that there would be another round of testing. So all players have OTHER NOTES Official practices at CHS Field will begin on Sunday. Some of the players were at Target Field earlier this week, and they were all tested. They'll start in the morning and Baldelli will address the group tomorrow as well. The last two days, they haven't been able to do anything. They set up CHS. At the end of the team meeting this morning, Cruz was honored for his Muhammad Ali Humanitarian Award. Cruz then had some words for the group. "He told our guys that we have no excuses. We're going to go out there. We're going to prepare. We're going to do our jobs. We could look at this pessimistically, but we're not going to. We're going to look at this in the most optimistic way we can. We're never going to make an excuse. We're going to go out there and get the job done, and that was his message to the group. It was great." MORE FROM TWINS DAILY — Latest Twins coverage from our writers — Recent Twins discussion in our forums — Follow Twins Daily via Twitter, Facebook or email
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COVID-19 is going to be a continuing topic of discussion all season. Keeping things strictly to a baseball perspective, players will be tested on a regular basis, the results of those tests will dictate whether or not a player can be on the active roster. This is how MLB has decided to handle the situation. Snarky comments about the severity (or perceived lack there of) of Coronavirus are not welcome in the comments of these articles intended to relay information on testing/the baseball implications. If you want to specifically discuss the Coronavirus in particular, or any of the response/fallout/etc., here's a link to a thread in The Sports Bar forum.
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I feel really bad for the guys who missed all or most of last season. Tyler Wells and Akil Baddoo come to mind, but I'm sure there are a few others I'm forgetting. What a bummer.
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Three-Bagger: Pineda, B-Squad & Romero
Tom Froemming replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I think the primary focus for the guys working out of CHS Field needs to be keeping them all healthy. Those guys are around for insurance, can't afford to not have them available if needed. I'd divide up that group into multiple units and make every effort possible to keep them from mingling with one another. That way hopefully any COVID outbreak is limited to just a portion of your reserve players instead of the whole pool. Since media is expected to be restricted for the big league games I can't imagine there will be much, if any coverage of what's going on at CHS Field. -
MLB teams had until 3 p.m. CT today to submit their list of 60 players who will participate in training camp, which begins Wednesday. The Twins released their roster Monday morning, read more to see the full roster.MONDAY 10:45 a.m. CT The Twins have finally revealed the roster. Here it is: As seen above, Wolfson also reported that Northfield native and former Twins and St. Paul Saints pitcher Caleb Thielbar will also be among the players in camp. Expect there to be a mix of both prospects and minor league veterans among the pool of players included. It’s worth pointing on that not everyone currently on the team’s 40-man roster is guaranteed to be participating in camp. No player outside of this pool of 60 players will be allowed to participate in training camp. There can be changes made to the 60-man roster, but once someone has been removed from a team's pool, they cannot be re-added to that same team's pool. Further Reading Which Twins Will Make the 60-Man Roster? | Matthew Trueblood Projecting the Twins 30-Man Opening Day Roster | Ted Schwerzler Explaining The 2020 MLB Roster Rules | MLB Trade Rumors FAQ: Roster and transaction rules for 2020 | MLB.com I also recently run through some information on the new roster rules for 2020 in the video below. MORE FROM TWINS DAILY — Latest Twins coverage from our writers — Recent Twins discussion in our forums — Follow Twins Daily via Twitter, Facebook or email Click here to view the article
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MONDAY 10:45 a.m. CT The Twins have finally revealed the roster. Here it is: https://twitter.com/morsecode/status/1277628983178387457 Here is another view of the team's summer camp roster: SUNDAY UPDATES 4:15 p.m. CT MLB.com's Do-Hyoung Park reports that the Twins aren't expected to reveal their roster until tomorrow. What a buzzkill. https://twitter.com/dohyoungpark/status/1277350025488748548 3:45 p.m. CT Darren Wolfson reported that reliever Danny Coulombe, who was a non-roster invitee in spring training, will be on the 60-man roster. Coulombe, a left-hander, struck out seven batters and gave up one run over four innings of work prior to spring training being suspended. He has 153 MLB games under his belt, most of which came with Oakland. 3:15 p.m. CT https://twitter.com/SethTweets/status/1277333822946906119 3:00 p.m. CT Ope, deadline passed. Guess we're back to no Twins baseball this year. 2:35 p.m. CT The Cincinnati Reds have also now announced the players going to what they're calling Summer Camp. Sounds wholesome. An item of note is they've elected to leave three open spots on their roster, at least for now. 1:45 p.m. CT The Tampa Bay Rays have become the first team to reveal its full 60-man roster. An interesting item to note is that they have split the to pool into 37 players who will be training at Tropicana Field and 23 who will be based in Port Charlotte, which is Tampa Bay's spring training site. The Twins are expected to use CHS Field, which normally hosts the St. Paul Saints, as the home of their "taxi squad." 1:10 p.m. CT Seth has confirmed down in the comments that catching prospect Ryan Jeffers will be a member of this 60-man roster. That means four of Twins Daily's current top-six prospects have made the cut. Will Jordan Balazovic and/or Jhoan Duran join Lewis, Kirilloff, Larnach and Jeffers? It would be a surprise if Duran was left off, given that he's on the 40-man roster, but that doesn't guarantee he'll make the cut. Remember, teams can make changes to this 60-player pool. Earlier Updates Dan Hayes of The Athletic reported that the top prospects in the Twins system are likely to be among those headed to the Twin Cities for camp. https://twitter.com/DanHayesMLB/status/1276342442833391616 In addition to Royce Lewis, Alex Kirilloff and Trevor Larnach, Darren Wolfson of KSTP added Brent Rooker’s name to the list. https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/1277027470051545095 As seen above, Wolfson also reported that Northfield native and former Twins and St. Paul Saints pitcher Caleb Thielbar will also be among the players in camp. Expect there to be a mix of both prospects and minor league veterans among the pool of players included. It’s worth pointing on that not everyone currently on the team’s 40-man roster is guaranteed to be participating in camp. No player outside of this pool of 60 players will be allowed to participate in training camp. There can be changes made to the 60-man roster, but once someone has been removed from a team's pool, they cannot be re-added to that same team's pool. Further Reading Which Twins Will Make the 60-Man Roster? | Matthew Trueblood Projecting the Twins 30-Man Opening Day Roster | Ted Schwerzler Explaining The 2020 MLB Roster Rules | MLB Trade Rumors FAQ: Roster and transaction rules for 2020 | MLB.com I also recently run through some information on the new roster rules for 2020 in the video below. MORE FROM TWINS DAILY — Latest Twins coverage from our writers — Recent Twins discussion in our forums — Follow Twins Daily via Twitter, Facebook or email
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Which Twins Will Make the 60-Man Roster?
Tom Froemming replied to Matthew Trueblood's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I believe this is the article you're referring to, which has a lot of great information. There are a lot of weird new rules explained in there. It sounds like the plan is for the full taxi squad to be based out of either the U of M's baseball complex or CHS Field, where the Saints play. The thing that irks me about three taxi squad guys they'll take on road trips is, at least last I heard, those guys will still get minor league pay and not earn any MLB service time. What a junk deal for those guys. -
Which Twins Will Make the 60-Man Roster?
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This all started March 26, and appears to be ending with the exact agreement made on that date. In between then and now lies a long, petty and public fight between MLB owners and the Players Association that took place in the midst of a pandemic. But, here we are … (?)In case you’ve missed any of the super fun baseball negotiating action over the past three months, Rena recently provided a comprehensive rundown. Today, the MLBPA voted against the MLB’s most recent proposal, which was a 60-game season. It wasn’t even close. That Tweet above from The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal includes the full details of the league’s statement. The MLBPA has a deadline of 5 p.m. ET tomorrow to respond to a few more items. Not to rain on the parade, but there are still some obstacles to navigate. These two items seem simple at their face value, but this is the MLB and MLBPA we’re talking about here. The league has requested players to report to camp by July 1, with Opening Day expected to be July 24. Players living abroad may have some trouble meeting that request, given current travel restrictions. There’s also the question of what the heck “camp” means right now. All MLB spring training camps were recently closed after coronavirus cases were confirmed in both Florida and Arizona spring training facilities. Speaking of which, the other roadblock is the Players Association will need to formally agree on the health and safety protocols outlined in the “Operating Manual” MLB produced. That outline has been floating around since May 20, so you’d hope any concerns would have been addressed by now. But, again, these two sides appear to revel in finding details to disagree on. Oh, and there’s that whole pesky pandemic thing. While it’s exciting to see that we appear to have reached the end of this negotiation period between the owners and players, coronavirus has now finally entered the chat. Getting the wheels rolling on baseball’s return should have always been the easy part, because trying to figure everything else out is a logistical nightmare. Beyond simply getting the players where they need to be, there are all sorts of other items to address that baseball has never had to contemplate. Things as simple as where the hell are these teams going to play? Like everything else, I expect the league is going to have to play some things by ear. These first steps had to be made before attempting to pole vault over any bigger issues that arise down the road. It’s not really an agreement, and nothing is set in stone yet, but it’s progress. For the first time in 88 days, we have real progress. MORE FROM TWINS DAILY — Latest Twins coverage from our writers — Recent Twins discussion in our forums — Follow Twins Daily via Twitter, Facebook or email Click here to view the article
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In case you’ve missed any of the super fun baseball negotiating action over the past three months, Rena recently provided a comprehensive rundown. Today, the MLBPA voted against the MLB’s most recent proposal, which was a 60-game season. It wasn’t even close. https://twitter.com/JesseRogersESPN/status/1275186342092255237 A big sticking point appeared to be that as part of that proposal the players would have had to waive their right to seek additional compensation through a grievance. It’s hard to argue against that decision now that it appears MLB will implement a … 60-game season. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1275226112663130115 That Tweet above from The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal includes the full details of the league’s statement. The MLBPA has a deadline of 5 p.m. ET tomorrow to respond to a few more items. Not to rain on the parade, but there are still some obstacles to navigate. These two items seem simple at their face value, but this is the MLB and MLBPA we’re talking about here. The league has requested players to report to camp by July 1, with Opening Day expected to be July 24. Players living abroad may have some trouble meeting that request, given current travel restrictions. There’s also the question of what the heck “camp” means right now. All MLB spring training camps were recently closed after coronavirus cases were confirmed in both Florida and Arizona spring training facilities. Speaking of which, the other roadblock is the Players Association will need to formally agree on the health and safety protocols outlined in the “Operating Manual” MLB produced. That outline has been floating around since May 20, so you’d hope any concerns would have been addressed by now. But, again, these two sides appear to revel in finding details to disagree on. Oh, and there’s that whole pesky pandemic thing. While it’s exciting to see that we appear to have reached the end of this negotiation period between the owners and players, coronavirus has now finally entered the chat. Getting the wheels rolling on baseball’s return should have always been the easy part, because trying to figure everything else out is a logistical nightmare. Beyond simply getting the players where they need to be, there are all sorts of other items to address that baseball has never had to contemplate. Things as simple as where the hell are these teams going to play? Like everything else, I expect the league is going to have to play some things by ear. These first steps had to be made before attempting to pole vault over any bigger issues that arise down the road. It’s not really an agreement, and nothing is set in stone yet, but it’s progress. For the first time in 88 days, we have real progress. MORE FROM TWINS DAILY — Latest Twins coverage from our writers — Recent Twins discussion in our forums — Follow Twins Daily via Twitter, Facebook or email
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The KBO’s LG Twins had an uneven week, starting things off with a sweep before getting swept themselves. Along the way, they were part of a strange game that inspired a weird bit of trivia regarding the 1970 Minnesota Twins to be dug up.Before we start ... I wrote an LG Twins/KBO primer article last week, but one item I was unable to track down was how the team got its nickname. I found the answer. Per an article at The Athletic by C. Trent Rosecrans, the team name references twin towers in Seoul that are owned by the LG company. Mystery solved. TUE: Twins 9, Hanwha 5 | Box score | Highlights The Twins sure made things interesting in this one. They entered the ninth up 9-3, but ended up allowing the tying run to reach the plate. Ace reliever Jung Woo-young had to be called upon to record the final out. Right fielder Chea Eun-sung hit his fifth home run of the season and was 3-for-4 with a walk. He’s emerging as one of my favorite players on the team. Current KBO standings 1. NC Dinos 28-12 2(t). Doosan Bears 25-16 (-3.5) 2(t). LG Twins 25-16 (-3.5) 4. Kiwoom Heroes 25-17 (-4) 5. Kia Tigers 23-18 (-5.5) 6. Lotte Giants 20-21 (-8.5) 7. Samsung Lions 20-22 (-9) 8. KT Wiz 18-23 (-10.5) 9. SK Wyverns (-16.5) 10. Hanwha Eagles (-19) This week Tue/Wed/Thu: vs. Kiwoom Heroes Fri/Sat/Sun: at SK Wyverns Click here to view the article
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LG Twins Recap: Wacky Loss Conjures Up Weird MN Twins Trivia
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Before we start ... I wrote an LG Twins/KBO primer article last week, but one item I was unable to track down was how the team got its nickname. I found the answer. Per an article at The Athletic by C. Trent Rosecrans, the team name references twin towers in Seoul that are owned by the LG company. Mystery solved. TUE: Twins 9, Hanwha 5 | Box score | Highlights The Twins sure made things interesting in this one. They entered the ninth up 9-3, but ended up allowing the tying run to reach the plate. Ace reliever Jung Woo-young had to be called upon to record the final out. Right fielder Chea Eun-sung hit his fifth home run of the season and was 3-for-4 with a walk. He’s emerging as one of my favorite players on the team. https://twitter.com/TFTwins/status/1272979591817236488 In his age-30 season, Jung Chan-heon transitioned from the bullpen to the rotation. So, this is essentially if the Minnesota Twins had Taylor Rogers start games this season. The move has gone extremely well, though Jung has been given plenty of extra days rest between starts. After a solid outing in this game, Jung has a 3.34 ERA, 1.18 WHIP and 8.8 K/9. For more background on the role change, check out this article. Second baseman Jung Ju-hyeon was an unlikely hero, hitting both a bases clearing triple and a home run in this one. He tallied just two triples and two homers in 129 games all of last season. WED: Twins 7, Hanwha 1 | Box score | Highlights Lim Chan-gyu turned in a quality start after surviving a stressful second inning. He threw 115 pitches over six innings, racking up eight strikeouts while holding the Eagles to just one run. https://twitter.com/TFTwins/status/1273339591769165826 The first two hitters in the Twins lineup — Lee Chun-woong and Hong Chang-gi — combined to get on base in seven of their eight plate appearances. THU: Twins 9, Hanwha 7 | Box score | Highlights After cruising to victory in the second game of this series, this was another one that got too close for comfort. The Twins led 4-3 heading into the eighth inning, and it’s a good thing they kept tacking on runs. The big news in this one was that slugger Roberto Ramos returned to action, but it was former Baltimore Orioles outfielder Kim Hyun-soo who carried the Twins lineup. He was 3-for-4 with a homer and a walk. Former Cubs prospect Son Ho-young came off the bench and recorded his first career KBO hit, RBI and stolen base. https://twitter.com/TFTwins/status/1273753889259622401 The 25-year-old rookie has had quite a unique journey to the KBO, which was detailed in this article. Son quit college in Korea, signed as an international free agent with the Cubs, was released after three seasons in their system and completed mandatory military service upon his return to Korea prior to being drafted by the Twins. FRI: Doosan 18, Twins 10 | Box score | Highlights The Doosan Bears, defending KBO champs, built a 13-1 lead by the time the top of the second inning was over. The weird fact about this game is the 28 runs were scored without the benefit of a single home run. Pretty incredible. When's the last time something like that's happened in the big leagues? https://twitter.com/canonpod/status/1274017810302357504 Here’s the box score from that September 1970 14-13 Twins loss at the hands of the Royals in which 27 runs were scored without a home run being hit. That game went 12 innings. SAT: Doosan 8, Twins 2 | Box score | Highlights Casey Kelly turned in a quality start, holding the Bears to three runs over seven innings while also racking up seven strikeouts, but the Twins lineup was shut out until the final frame. https://twitter.com/TFTwins/status/1274323001467711488 SUN: Doosan 3, Twins 1 | Box score | Highlights The Twins turned to 18-year-old starter Lee Min-ho in the final game of the series. He held Doosan to two runs over his five innings, but needed 110 pitches to make it that far due to struggles with command. Lee walked four batters, hit two more and threw a wild pitch. https://twitter.com/TFTwins/status/1274699493498388481 Current KBO standings 1. NC Dinos 28-12 2(t). Doosan Bears 25-16 (-3.5) 2(t). LG Twins 25-16 (-3.5) 4. Kiwoom Heroes 25-17 (-4) 5. Kia Tigers 23-18 (-5.5) 6. Lotte Giants 20-21 (-8.5) 7. Samsung Lions 20-22 (-9) 8. KT Wiz 18-23 (-10.5) 9. SK Wyverns (-16.5) 10. Hanwha Eagles (-19) This week Tue/Wed/Thu: vs. Kiwoom Heroes Fri/Sat/Sun: at SK Wyverns -
Twins Remove Calvin Griffith Statue
Tom Froemming replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Here's a link to that article by John Shipley, for anybody interested in reading the whole thing.

