Moderator note: It seems to me that there is a continuum here -- Ryan lovers at one end and Ryan haters at the other. I also believe that the vast majority of TD members fall somewhere in the middle. What we have seen since the inception of TD is that the people on either extreme can be strident, and we end up with warring factions. Then the more moderate posters get swept into the maelstrom. Doubters get portrayed as haters, as do agnostics. If people stay within the letter and spirit of TD policy then they may debate whether Ryan is great or terrible, but please realize two things. First, most of us stand somewhere in the middle, and the level of drama makes it harder for us to enjoy a rational discussion. Second, we moderators have been instructed to reduce the hijacking of threads with arguments that have been made over and over in other threads. So we are going to be stricter about any policy violations associated with such arguments.