I actually agree. His stuff and underlying numbers have never shown in the actual results. As much as I trust process, at some point, results matter. He's Gray, not an ACE, imo. Gordon, Gonsalves, another AA pitcher and Kiriloff should be enough. If not, I don't do it. And, I'm higher on Gordon than most. He's not flashy, but he'll put up 2-3 WAR per year for the next 10 years, imo. That certainty has real value.