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The bats are not good enough, this has been a concern for the last couple of years. I think some of it is approach, some of it is players that have too big of holes in their swings. I think Correa turns it around, he already is, and ultimately ends at a 3+ WAR or higher player. Buxton needs to start playing in the field period - I also think he hits better when fully in the game and playing. If so he will improve just from the defensive side. If Buxton and and Correa improve that fixes a lot, but you need 1-2 more. I will pick Julien and drum roll . . . Miranda. Miranda is know to go on streaks and slumps. I am hoping he can just relax over this break and then the bat comes to life. Similar to the Braves of couple years ago, all you need is the bats to get hot at the right time and I think you have enough quality bats they could. As to relief pitching, I think you would need at least 1 more solid reliever to make a go of it. Beyond that what do I hope for? I hope Gray continues his dominance and 1 of Maeda or Gallo start tearing it up. I appreciate that the Twins and management have started to give us some decent baseball to great baseball to watch the last 3-4 years with a few putrid stretches. They have done this starting with a poor farm system other than at the top (Sano and Buxton) and not much at the big league level. However, you need elite players to make a go at the World Series and if Gray Maeda and Gallo take off the rest of the year, you have Gray for sure that you could give a qualifying offer and he would turn down and get a very good contract. You get Maeda or Gallo to do the same and someone gives them a good to great contract over 50 mil for 3 years, and the Twins could have 4 Picks in the first round (1st round pick, competitive balance, and 2 compensation picks). You do have the risk of Maeda accepting. Being a bit of a draft junky I am more than fine with continuing to increase assets and improve the long term success of the organization. Overall I want to watch better baseball, and more hits. Go Twins.
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Doc, I agree with everything you said. An even though I said even I still rank Lee ahead of Jenkins in a ranking. Priellip is so difficult, all the arm talent in the world, but hasn't been able to throw for essentially 3 years. I hope they are babying him, I really do, the worry is he need another tommy John and gone for the next 2 years. Yes that would suck. You make that pick every day though. The drafts really matched up except they sprinkled in more high school players at the top. The difference was the quality of arms from rounds 8-15. The Twins got to #1 starters of players at major colleges with good programs in the 11th and 12th round. Langenberg and Pasqualotto are amazing picks, good stuff and know how to pitch. Can they improve them enough to make them legitimate MLB level players? Add in Dunn who already has some elite pitches, but some command issues and I would be shocked if at least 1 of those doesn't hit and more than likely all 3 will look very strong at the A and A+ level and then AA becomes the separator on whether they are legit prospects or not. Someone posted the arms primarily consisted of 3 categories after the 2 high school kids were picked. Pitchers who slightly underperformed expectations from last year, were recovering from injury, and lastly small colleges.
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The biggest difference in this draft was the quality of pitching prospects even in the mid to late rounds. Elite - Soto - he has the chance to be a #1 pitcher. He has good velocity, movement and command. Needs to continue to develop. High Ceiling low floor HS pitcher - Questad is a very interesting pick. It will be interesting to see how he develops Good pitchers need to improve velocity and pitches - Hall Stoffal, Langenberg, Lee, Pasqualatto, Bragg Currently throwers need to develop more command and refine pitches - Dunn, Hamilton, Bengard, Silvas, Garcia If you look at just the good pitchers category I think you can effectively have a very solid A Ball pitching staff. The majority of these pitchers have been starters, ultimately even though we needed some pitching prospects, we won't have enough spots for all these players as starters. It will be curious to see which players they throw in the pen and who they leave as starters. Gut feel I think Soto develops into a #1 or #2, 2 develop from the good pitcher category and 1 to 2 develop from the thrower category into either starters or relievers. If we can have 4-5 legit prospects develop from this class that would be great, top it off with 3 solid to elite bats in Jenkins, Keaschall and Winokur if this draft pans out you can heavily impact the success of the organization. A lot of teams will have successful draft from this class, due to the quality and quantity of the prospects.
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Took a 1st baseman in the 19th round Sam Parker. When researching found Winokur had the highest average exit velocity during the June 2023 combine and Sam Parker had the furthest distance of any player. Highest average exit velocity (batting practice) (# of batted balls in parentheses) 108.3 mph (9) - Brandon Winokur, OF, Edison HS (Calif.) (No. 72) 106.7 mph (8) - George Wolkow, OF, Downers Grove North HS (Ill.) (No. 68) 102.5 mph (9) - Joe Vetrano, 1B, Boston College 101.3 mph (11) - TayShaun Walton, CF, IMG Academy (Fla.) (No. 165) 100.9 mph (14) - Jonathon Long, 3B, Long Beach State 100.5 mph (16) - Kemp Alderman, OF, Mississippi (No. 62) 100.3 mph (13) - Trent Caraway, SS, JSerra Catholic HS (Calif.) (No. 67) 100.3 mph (12) - Myles Naylor, 3B, St. Joan of Arc Catholic SS (Canada) (No. 59) 100.3 mph (5) - Caden Sorrell, CF, Marcus HS (Texas) (No. 76) 99.7 mph (11) - Gavin Grahovac, SS, Villa Park HS (Calif.) (No. 146) Longest maximum distance (batting practice) 456 feet - Sam Parker, 1B/OF, Kennesaw Mountain HS (Ga.) 443 feet - Kemp Alderman, OF, Mississippi (No. 62) 437 feet - Brandon Winokur, OF, Edison HS (Calif.) (No. 72) 437 feet - Will Simpson, INF, Washington 435 feet - Andrew Wiggins, OF/RHP, Heritage Christian (Ind.) 431 feet - George Wolkow, Downers Grove North (IL.) (No. 68) 429 feet - Daniel Cuvet, INF/RHP, ESB Academy (Fla.) 429 feet - Sabin Ceballos, 3B, Oregon (No. 153) 424 feet - Alfonsin Rosario, CF, P27 Academy (S.C.) 424 feet - Luke Keaschall, SS, Arizona State (No. 90)
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Or the Twins can trade for a few prospects. Not a big deal across the board.
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yes and last I checked we still have a few rounds left. And I am completely comfortable with them drafting a prospect that late in the draft for the C position as its worked. They are primarily filling positions and find lightning in a bottle. Likely feel the catcher position is one that needs more coaching at these levels. I think they have found more than enough organizational talent for the Catcher position after the 6th round.
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Kade Bragg looks like another decent pick.
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"but that they need someone to catch at the lower levels....."
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I said it before and I think it is showing, this is a deep class. It is fairly clear the Twins feel there are a lot pitching prospects that have something they like that they can work with. This is very good. Hopefully the top of the draft pans out, because I am fairly confident a couple or more of these pitching prospects will pan out. Lots of quality picks.
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Im not sure where the angst from catching prospects is coming from 2017 Cosgrove 17, Bailey 37, Rodriguez 38 2018 Chris Williams 8th round Casanova 13th 2019 Schmidt 33 rd, Isola 29th round 2021 Cardenas 8th, Winkel 9th 2022 Cossetti 11th, Baez 12th If the value is there the Twins will grab catchers in rounds 8-12, if not they are completely comfortable waiting til the end of the draft to pick up a catcher or two.
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I think the Twins feel comfortable with the Catching prospects they have. They also likely have 1 or 2 pegged for the end of the draft. This round a couple C came off the board, but its primarily been pitchers.
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Im hoping in the next round or two Twins take a shot on Keaton Anthony. Heck of a bat.
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Xander Hamilton, 6'3" beefier 225lbs. High strikeouts 12 per a 9. Some tools to work with here. My guess is another couple pitchers to get picked yet today.
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if we get a catcher or I am expecting in the last couple picks, likely a no name that they see something in. Too many decent prospects still available. The catching position just seemed to fall of a cliff this year on quality prospects.
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Garrett Mcmillan just got drafted again.
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Jeremy Lee - South Alabama 5'11" - ranked 415 one site. I don't know, not seeing it unless a reliever. Don't see much on pitch mix.
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Pasqualotto, another good pitcher at this point in the draft. Good slider, could use a little more velocity and movement on 92 mph fastball. I am really liking the pitchers in this draft. Still waiting for that 6'6" mound of clay in a prospect :).
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Being a Hawkeye fan, Langenberg is excellent value at this point. Strong pitcher came in as the expected #1 struggled a little bit but was still overall strong numbers in a decent B1G conference. He has the potential to add a bit to the fastball. Similar to Hall and Stoffal, good stuff not the highest of ceiling but have the tools that can become a very good pitcher for the Twin. Iowa has 1 more prospect that likely should have been taken earlier. Anthony, the question is whether will come back to college or will sign. Ultimately I think will sign, however not sure the Twins would take a chance. He is currently in an investigation for gambling, although appears to be small and maybe a football game, or fantasy football. He was suspended for the back half of the season and missed the CWS.
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Where will Jenkins and Soto rank?
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Martin and SWR both seem to be enigmas. Martin is struggling since coming back. The only thing separating is Martin had a hell of a a fall ball last year. Varland could be #3. I think the only thing holding him back is his ceiling of at best likely be a #3 or #4 starter. Priellip is the one I struggled with, could be 7 to 8 could be in the 15-20 range. If healthy and performing a top 5 prospect. Really hard to project. -
Where will Jenkins and Soto rank?
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Here is my rough top 21. Probably missing something but decent idea. 1. Lee 2. Jenkins 3. Soto 4. Raya 5. Wallner 6. Varland 7. Winkur 8. Schobel 9. Keaschall 10. E Rod 11. SWR 12. Martin 13. Hall 14. Qustad 15. Priellip 16. Festa 17. Williams 18. Enlow 19. Dunn 20. Lewis 21. Cossetti -
As much as I really like the Soto pick, how much does it say that Lopez reached out to this kid and was a great ambassador for the Twins and the Minnesota Twins community as a whole. As much as I still dislike trading Arreaz, I really think having Lopez on our team especially with an extended contract was worth it.
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Just wanted to do a quick compare to last years see what we think we have in value in this draft 1. Jenkins vs Lee - Jenkins has the slightly higher ceiling but both are very good prospects - pretty even 2. Soto vs Prielipp - Soto has the much higher ceiling and less injury risk, heavily favors Soto, I still like Prielipp. 3. Keaschall vs Schobel - almost mere images of each other. Wash 4. Winokur vs lost pick - Winokur is high ceiling draft pick, 2023 win. This is where we start to get some real separation 5. Hall vs Morris . Hall is the better pitcher and has a higher ceiling than Morris. Really like the Hall pick - favors 2023 6. Questad vs Ross - This heavily leans towards Questad. you have high potential and even a better floor than Ross. Real chance on hitting something here 7. Harry vs Ortega - Harry has good makeup - but Ortega has continued to show good pop so far, first time I go with 2022. 8. Santos vs Jones - I am not high on either. If one were to flash most likely Santos but a wash. 9. Stoffal vs Matthews - I think ultimately both have some talent. I think Stoffal maybe slightly higher but willing to give this a wash. 10. Dougherty vs lewis - a bit of hindsight here, but Lewis looked like had some tools to be effective pitcher. I take Lewis even without his season performance, easily ahead here with the performance. 11. Dunn vs Shuffield - lets just ignore shuffield and look at Dunn vs Lewis. Honestly this is very close even knowing what Lewis has done. You have a lefty in Dunn that has 3 very good pitches. You have the chance at a #3 ceiling pitcher possibly higher. I slightly lean towards Dunn between the two but its close. What it shows is much higher ceilings but overall just better quality throughout (it helps having an extra pick). You have 3 potential elite players in 2023 Jenkins, Soto and Winokur vs Lee. I think Priellip has the potential to get back in this group but need to wait on the health. Keaschall and Schobel both look like excellent ball players - safe picks likely good outcomes for both. For pitching - Hall, Questad and Stoffal and Dunn all have the tools to be good pitchers. Mathews and Lewis appear to be the best picks for pitching on day 2 last year and we my have a gem in Lewis. However the quantity and quality of pitching for yesterday heavily leans to 2023. The one caveat is Ortega, I liked him when he was picked and he has continued to do well this year. For the hitters drafted later, I think he has the best chance of continuing to improve and move up in the organization.
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