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True - But my question is how are you going to make Ownership and FO listen differently this year as opposed to the last 28 years? Why should they take your concerns seriously in 2013? That's like the parent who tells his kid to "clean your room" and he never does. What do you need to do differently (expressing yourself) to make FO hear you? I'm about results. If expressing yourself negatively for 28 years is your plan when there is no change happening - Then yes - I don't get it? I want new ideas to get my point heard. Like telling my kid your grounded until that room is cleaned. And following through!!! I'm about results. Maybe you have a following - Maybe you don't
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I get everyones point who thinks this way. I'm stating that this has been the Twins way for 28 years with Free Agency. Ownership and FO changed their draft philosophy in 2012. That's the 1st Step. They improved farm system with trades. That's the 2nd step. Let's see if they change their philosophy with FAs as they move forward. Asking for a complete change in philosophy in 1 year might be a bit much. Especially when you are calling for TRs head. Can we at least enjoy the first changes of the last 28 years.
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People get your passion. They just want some creative idea other than "We have more money to spare. Offer more - Offer more." GMs make some excellent decisions (the trades) and GMs make some bad decisions (FAs) throughout baseball. Lets see where TR takes the Twins. He has been the guy who makes the decision for 1 year. Assistants don't make decisions - GMs do. Let the man work his plan. I think it funny how quick people call for a guys throat on this board.
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1) Fielder selected Detroit because he grew up there and felt a connection in addition to the money. 2) Aramis Ramirez selected Milwaukee because he wanted his kid (in Cicago) to watch him play on TV and that would not be possible if he went to West coast (games on Pacific time). 3) Grienke almost selected Texas because his wife is from there - but Angel FO out bid the world to get him. Thank God for that TV contract they have. 4) Swisher is a home town guy who will probably become the face of Indians. That will probably lead to FO career with organization after he retires. Money will generally be the end game, but there are also other reasons / factors these guys sign. We need to find that other "it" to get these guys here. I never hear people talk about why a guy should sign here besides money. They are not all hired guns.
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Is this "champion of the lesser poster" thing that appears to be happening the beginning of some kind of advanced degree in social work? What is a lesser poster? Guys who don't feel your point of view. It appears that some (not all) have felt this way about FO decisions since ownership took over 28 years ago. That being said - Who are these mad man complaining about the same issues of $ being spent? I would like to see discussions of some inovative ways to get FAs here. Its obvious FO hasn't been listening for some 10,220+ days. Is money the only thing that will get FAs to MN?
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I'm not sensitive that way. I don't mind the sarcasim. The "Too Many" was referring to the FAs you wanted to purchase this season (Marcum / Jackson / McCarthy / etc.) for at least 3 years - not the people already on your team now (Mauer). None of the above guys (FAs) are worth 3 years to me. 1 or 2 years sure - Not 3 years - Thats all.
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I will share my GM thoughts (not that anyone cares): If I am going to depend on my Farm system moving forward and like all prospects, you never know who is going to pan out until they do - I am going to purchase high end FAs as they fit in around my Top prospects. I'm not going to spend money on high end FA on a position that could be a position of strength in a year or two. I am going to offer 1 year deals to low risk FAs and see what I have from my young guys in a year. Hicks might end up sucking as might Sano, Arcia and Meyer. Then that opens a whole new market of FAs we might need to sign. Just saying. If we work this approach and have a majority of the team personnel on rookie contracts in a year or two - We can change our 20 year track record and purchase high end need FAs moving forward. Lets work from prospects to FAs instead of purchasing FAs and hoping prospects fit in where needed. This way you have a win win situation. Not this year, but from 2014 until.............. My philosophy. I don't want band aid fixes for the next 3 years, because we have too many declining vets with higher than deserved contracts that we are tied to. Everyone is asking for a FO change of philosophy. We got that in last years draft. Let's be patient and see if we overpay for quality Top FA help when truly needed (playoff contenders). Getting excited over 7-10 extra wins right now does nothing for me as a fan. I want to get excited over hard play on the field and player progress from my called up prospects. That's what gets me excited, because then I know good things are coming.
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Mets state they have Marcum penciled in as thier 5th starter. MLB.com Hot Stove | Mets address rotation with addition of Marcum - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia and MLB.com Hot Stove | Saunders looks forward to playing with Ibanez, Morse - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia
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Loshe is the last guy standing was my only reason - Good point though . Sell me on FA "A" then - Why should I come to the Twins? This article explains Ryans plan (satisfactory or not to your thought process) - But explains his philosophy. Let's see how season pans out and if the Twins are a better product. Plus let's see if we get more useable products (AAA prospects) via mid season trades to build upon. Let the man work his plan. Terry Ryan: Minnesota Twins Will Not be Fixed Via Free Agency
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I truly do agree. Now give me your selling point to that FA as a GM. How do you get a matched offer FA to come here? Everyone is getting on TR about what he is not doing. Tell me your conversation as GM (besides money) to getr FA here. Because players do care about family and other things when it comes to FA signing. Sell me (I'm Kyle Loshe and you offered 1 million more than next competitor)..........................Why should I pick MN? I'm on your side about MN now - I'm just defending TRs challenge. Let's hear your sell as TR/GM.........
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Sounds like a solid plan to me. Not the greatest plan. But sounds solid to me.
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That's all I'm saying - I Love MN and my Twins That's not to diss Minnesota; that's to recognize how we are often perceived by outsiders (rightly or wrongly).
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That would have to mean you were never competitive or you have never offered market value. Name someone who has ever come? Players view the cold weather as a negative. History as everyone tells me doesn't lie. That's the Sabermetrics of this situation.
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No more bold and thank you for the answer. You are at least the first person to say that the Twins have never offered equal pay or top dollar during the last 28 years. Extremely hard to believe, but just as possible as FAs not wanting to come to the cold of the Northern states. Top college players generally come from warmer climate (SEC / ACC / PAC / Etc.) universities. Players generally want warm weather cities to play out their careers if given the choice. That's my view as to why players don't come. Dome or no dome.
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Or the various owners over the last 20+ just don't match offers. I'd like to think it's a combination of both personally.
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St. Louis was a bad example. 1) Does everyone truly believe that the only reason you haven't signed a Top flight free agent is because you haven't offered, at least, equal money as other teams have offered? 2) Does that mean that you agree, that you have to over pay to get people to come to MN? 3) If you agree that you have to over pay? Why is it that you have to over pay? We are talking 20+ years? 4) Is it your opinion that FO has never offered equal money to a Top FA over the last 20+ years? 5) Why is Morris the last to accept? I love MN, but want to know what it is about MN that keeps FA away? Unless you believe MN has never matched an offer? And if they have - FAs still haven't come? Why is all I'm asking?
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I love MN and the Twins cities. That doesn't change the fact that FA pick ups is a problem for all MN sports teams, as well as teams in Milwaukee and KC and even St. Louis for that matter. The Midwest, besides larger cities like Detroit and Chicago have always had problems obtaining high end FA's. Just a fact (unless you can prove me wrong). I stating that we need to find another way to lure these FAs to MN. New ownership same problems with FA is what I'm hearing. Have the people of MN ever been satisfied with management and ownership?
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The fact is that you and most everyone on this board have no idea what is ever offered by FO. You assume or heard through a third party. It is much easier to blame FO for never bringing in Top FAs, than believing no one wants to come to MN. Milwaukee has the same problem - as does Kansas City and many Northern teams. We are not a draw for young star players!! Same could be said for FAs coming to the Wolves and Bucks. Different sport - Same results. Are thier teams owned by same people? If it walks like a duck. And someone argued that Jack Morris was the last top FA to come to MN. That was how long ago? It can't all be management? Maybe the city needs to reflect on its image and draw for FA's? Just saying. I believe Marcum just did not want to come to MN, like the other Top (1,500) FAs over the past 20+ years. TR is setting up this team the right way (thru prospects) - because NO ONE wants to come here. Proof is in the history / results.
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I will agree with you if you can name one free agent who has ever come to MN that was considered a Top FA. Not just with this ownership and FO, but ever? Now ask why? Maybe it is more than just throwing money to guys - Sometimes guys don't want to go to certain cities. Look how Upton turned down a chance to go to Seattle. Money is not everything for some guys.
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I keep hearing people say the FO can do so much better with getting FAs here. As if they never tried. The fact is no one knows if they have or not. The thread that should be circling is "Who is the Best FA the Twins has ever signed?" Then ask why? Is it management or that players just don't want to come to the Northern part of the country? Name a Top FA to come to MN in recent years? Top!!! You can only get top tier players in MN from farm system or trades. I'm still waiting for someone to prove me wrong. Who is the last great FA to come here?................................. In house prospects are your last hope and that winning span won't come for more 2 years. But when it does - look out.
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I will ask this: Would you rather gamble with low cost / potential upside - FA SPers? and use call up prospects in June if all else fails? OR Spend $10 to 15 million on potential (#3s) over a 2-3 year span - who will probably maintain their (#3) status for those 2-3 years? *To me you win possibly 10 more games & remain close to .500 either way *You can spend millions of dollars to remain under .500 / & keep your potential SP prospects from receiving quality starts in a meaningless season. *If you are not making a run for the playoffs - get those prospects some outings. Get the kinks out this year and full go in 2014.
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Article: Seth's 2013 Top 30 Twins Prospects
lightfoot789 replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Just looking for speculation like the rest of these threads. Every prospect is a bust until he is not. 100% true and words to live by -
Brewers will still average close to 35,000 raging fans per game. Anxious to see if prospects can still meet expectations. Raging Fans who don't wait for prospects to fulfill destiny before they show them their love. I've been to recent Twins games and fans have lost thier spirit in a matter of 2 years. So many of the people on this board can not switch their enthusiasm to "Go Twins" mood with true conviction come season time. Die hards believe until the results (W/L) show there is no more hope. Start believing people. Brewer fans were disappointed they lost Fielder in 2012, but understood the market they were in. Brewer management makes a habit of making the big trades when the team shows it has playoff possibilities (C.C. / K Rod), not before. Milwaukee - like Minnesota does not bring in the huge FAs. They have to acquire their Key players via trades. I don't understand why my fellow Twins Fan gets upset over not acquiring Key FAs. You haven't done so in the last 2 decades.
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Article: Seth's 2013 Top 30 Twins Prospects
lightfoot789 replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I have a question - If all our OF prospects reach thier potential - Who gets traded by 2016? and why? Oswaldo Arcia Aaron Hicks Max Kepler Byron Buxton Nate Roberts Joe Benson Adam Walker Angel Morales Romy Jimenez Chris Parmelee