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  1. TheLeviathan
    They didn't give him 10M. This massive overpayment that everyone is hyperventilating about is nonsense. It's a slight overpayment - EXACTLY what happens in FA! Plus, the other favorites around here - Josh Johnson, Shaun Marcum, Erik Bedard - are in the same boat! None of the pitchers we are likely to sign are going to fall outside of the category of "overpaid" and "damaged goods". So the point still very much stands. This shouldn't be surprising and this should be sobering to those that filled out their offseason blueprints full of 2-3 of these guys. We almost always understate the going rate of starting pitching in the offseason. Most of the predictions around here forgot that and look ridiculous, hopefully this was a reminder of that. Not that it will matter next year, many will do the same thing again.
  2. TheLeviathan
    You mean like the list I posted just a few replies later? I find it amusing that people are still trying to paint this as a huge overpayment. He got what almost every FA pitcher gets in the first few months of FA - more money than they deserve. Why is this shocking to anyone? The guys that don't get paid are the position players like Doumit and Willingham, most starting pitchers do not fall into that category. So, yes, it should have been expected and it makes all of the posts about how many guys we were going to land with the money we had look ridiculous. And before you half-cock your snippy response again, check the offseason blueprints as a starter.
  3. TheLeviathan
    Because your belief in what the Twins can and should spend and what they likely and will spend is the difference between realistic and wishful thinking.
  4. TheLeviathan
    The rampant offseason speculation and plans indicate otherwise. I see a Shields-Johnson-Baker, Marcum-Baker-S. Drew-M.Cabrera, Haren-Marcum-Baker-Bedard, Marcum-Bedard-Baker-Youk. And I haven't even finished the first page of the blueprints. And I haven't even cited your average "Hey we should get this guy because he doesn't suck" series of threads. Baker has been better than mediocre. When healthy he's been a bonafide #2 pitcher. 5M isn't a bad risk on a guy like that if giving him guaranteed cash gives your club a good chance to keep him around long-term.
  5. TheLeviathan
    Well said diehard, I couldn't agree more.
  6. TheLeviathan
    I never said close the door on getting anyone. I said close the door on thinking 20M was going to land you 3 pitchers. 5M for Baker isn't that awful and shouldn't have been that shocking. He's a pitcher who has been successful. Quite a bit more successful than most of this fanbase has appreciated. Injury or not that has value. You don't have to take the remark personally, not sure why you feel the need to do so, but the fact is people seem to think that the payroll flexibility the Twins have (if they were to spend all that they are assumed to have) would somehow land them as many as 2 of the top 5-7 pitchers on the market. That was ridiculous then and it should be glaringly obvious how ridiculous it was now.
  7. TheLeviathan
    This forum is littered with predictions of bringing in Marcum and Jackson. Or signing Dempster "cheap". Nothing comes cheap in FA. Baker got about what you'd expect - 20-30% more than was sane and deserved. Again, welcome to FA.
  8. TheLeviathan
    Missed the point bud. Most of this thread is saying "I can't believe they paid him that!" Welcome to free agency. Hence why the idea of solving this team's pitching woes there was ridiculous from the start.
  9. TheLeviathan
    Well hopefully this ends the insane speculation that you can go out and sign 3 good starters in the offseason to magically become a contender.
  10. TheLeviathan
    Yeah I've noticed Kalil down field a few times - he's a ridiculous athlete.
  11. TheLeviathan
    Williams can't buy minutes over Malcolm Lee now. Ouch.
  12. TheLeviathan
    Rudolph was nice to see. You know what the biggest difference was? Ponder squared himself and set his feet. The Wright throw was a perfect example of what he SHOULD do and almost never does. He was much more comfortable in the pocket, he let it collapse and hung in there. He didn't look panicked or ridiculous like usual. Still needs to go through progressions though.
  13. TheLeviathan
    Wouldn't you rather have that then the possibility they just sign "competition" for him and give him another chance next year?
  14. TheLeviathan
    He should start regardless. Leave no doubt that he's garbage. If we bench him the apologists will insist he's "still only had 20 games to start" or whatever. Leave no doubt - play him and suffer with that awful pick until you have to make a move.
  15. TheLeviathan
    The difference is they only cost you money. Span costs less money but other assets as well.
  16. TheLeviathan
    You mean other than Span missing 120+ games the last two years and being a poor baserunner/stealer who is only getting older?
  17. TheLeviathan
    Well Revere's end to the season was pretty alarming. I would move Willingham and Span this offseason, but I'm not pretending they are star players or going to create a bidding war.
  18. TheLeviathan
    The question is pricetag. Span, with his concussions, could easily be a disaster with a much higher price tag. If you want to toss a lower offer and get Bourjos you might buy low and get a steal. If you want to pick a different term than roleplayer, go ahead. But he's not a star or centerpiece player. He can be a valuable piece, but slow your roll with him.
  19. TheLeviathan
    Below average at best? Plenty of those players are perfectly fine players and possibly a better gamble if you believe Span is somehow going to land you a gem. That kind of pricetag is going to quickly steer people to Gomez, Bourjos, Gutierrez, etc that have bargain written all over them as buy-low options. We're exaggerating a bit here to believe that Span is somehow a shining beacon of value among this group. He should be in the upper half but hold your horses if you think you're going to put the screws to anyone over him. You can hope to push a bidding war, but that's only going to go so far given the problems with Span. (Concussions, lack of impactful speed, limited home run power) He's got plenty of pluses to his game, but he's not a star. He's a roleplayer, let's keep our expectations sane here.
  20. TheLeviathan
    This. Plus....that ridiculous trade that was posted had research behind it? Holy gods, I'm not sure which is worse: being made that you were responded to publicly on a public forum or that god-awful proposal was thought-out.
  21. TheLeviathan
    The only thing that deal is missing is Brian Duensing to really cement it in the "I'm just making this stupid suggestion for laughs" category.
  22. TheLeviathan
    Well all politicians are lawyers and the field is saturated with scumbags for sure.
  23. TheLeviathan
    If the D-backs were so worried about outfield, they wouldn't move Young so that it forced them to deal a former top prospect to replace him. They have internal options and the suggestion of Span is ridiculous. Gibson loves Eaton and wants him playing.
  24. TheLeviathan
    Oh?
  25. TheLeviathan
    She's pretty liberal, but she's also a genuinely good person, pretty respectable. Leaves a lot to be desired for me personally, but not opposed to her being re-elected.
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