Imo HOF'ers should be considered as elite at some point in their career. I just don't believe that is true for Pettitte. The main argument in this thread is his WL record that was racked up at the height of some great Yankee teams. Other than that he was a pretty ordinary very good pitcher. I'm not sure I agree that Jr. is the only HOF lock. I can think of two pitchers that are locks (RJ and Maddux). Smoltz and Pedro also should be locks along with Mo. Other hitting locks should be Chipper, Jeter, thomas and probably Thome.