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  1. "Go get Price for nothing" is absolutely comical. "Go get Ray for less than any of our top 5 prospects" "...or Matz or whatever other guy" I would put a lot of chips in that getting any of those three (or a mystery "other guy") will cost significantly more prospects *and/or* significantly more payroll additions than you are insinuating. There were other teams in on the free agent bidding that also didn't come away with their guy, to think we can just "go make a trade for a guy" and get it without giving up substantial prospect capital is just wishful thinking. Plain and simple, quality starting pitching is expensive. Very expensive. Either in cash, or prospects. There were 4 realistic available quality starting pitchers in the Twins market range, and because of the unwillingness to 'overpay' (which I think is such a cop-out of an excuse),the Twins didnt get any of them. And now, coming off the best season in Twins recent memory in which the absolute most glaring hole on the roster was without a shadow of a doubt starting pitching, the Twins are still set to have Randy Dobnak, Devin Smeltzer, and Lewis Thorpe ALL in the starting rotation on opening day. God help us if Berrios strains a forearm in Spring Training. There is still time. 3 months before this is an actual problem. I suppose the FO could pull a rabbit out of a hat and acquire rotation depth. But now, in order to get it, we're going to have to surrender prospects. It's going to cost more than just money. And from the relatively small sample size of what I've seen from this FO, they absolutely covet prospects. Consider me incredibly skeptical and disappointed in the offseason so far.
  2. What's a realistic expectation of opening day 2020 payroll?
  3. Valid. 4 openings every year probably is a tough task. I guess my point is the "window" usually only last 4-ish years. I'd love to believe the Twins will be ultra competitive for the next decade, but odds are, they won't. If it takes 1-year deals to get upper level pitching here while the window is open, I just wouldn't want to rule it out because it makes you work hard next offseason too. "Mutual Desire" almost always starts with money, and you're going to have a hard time convincing me otherwise.
  4. I'm confused as to what your point is, though. You say you don't want multiple guys like Minor (simply because of an expiring contract) but then also say we only have enough money to afford one good pitcher. I'm saying if 5 guys like Mike Minor are available and affordable, go get them all. If that leads to needing to replenish the pitching staff next year again, so be it. Actually, I'd honestly prefer more of that.
  5. If it takes one year deals to get the best quality pitching, then do one year deals. My concern is now *how* we get top level pitching here, but the simple fact that we do. I feel like you expect the Twins to go out and sign 4 top level pitchers to market level contracts (or above). That's foolish. I don't care if they have 5 starters on 1 year deals every single year, so long as those 5 starters are higher end and better quality. The reality of our situation is we need to be savvy and creative in acquiring pitching talent, because even though the FO is spouting fairytales about increased spending, we are never going to match payrolls with the Bostons, NYs and LAs. Do it in any way you can, especially if it costs lower than market value. The market the Twins will consistently be in includes the likes of Martin Perez, Kevin Correia, and Shelby Miller. We are begging for the second tier Free Agents, ferpetessake. Mike Minor was an ace this past year. He would fit towards the top of the Twins rotation really nicely. A significant upgrade over Randy Dobnak, imo. This proverbial "window" typically lasts 4-ish years for mid-market teams (see Cleveland, Kansas City, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, etc.)
  6. Hamels and now Odo on 1 year deals better not have any impact on making a legitimate run at Wheeler or Bumgarner, or I'm in for yet another excruciatingly disappointing winter.
  7. I'm confused as to why bringing Odorizzi back is the determining factor of interest in Hamels as the #4. If Hamels is a good #4, he'll be a good #4 regardless of who is the #3.
  8. I already proposed it. Sign Bumgarner and Odorizzi and trade for Mike Minor and Sonny Gray. All but the Minor acquisition solidifies the rotation for 3+ years. I never said don't use the payroll flexibility. Quite the contrary. Go spend it. I'm simply suggesting a means to acquire higher upside pitching talent without spending a lot of money or committing to a long term contract, which I think the Twins absolutely need to do in order to fill out a 26 man roster.
  9. More of what? Payroll flexibility? High upside, low risk, affordable players? The Twins will never spend enough to reel in the big fish. Smart, savvy, affordable, high upside players (and a lot of them) with hopefully a few prospects that flourish at the right time is gonna be the key to serious contention, in my opinion. That *is* the future for the Twins. Getting locked into long term contracts is a death sentence for small market teams. Minor is one example. Sonny Gray is another. It would take a good prospect haul, but he's financially affordable. Both have tremendous upsides and well within the Twins price range.
  10. Minor is exactly what the Twins need (and recently have sought). High upside, low risk. No commitment to salary beyond 2020. And the Reds *could* be motivated to move Gray because they are probably 2 years from competing anyway and they would get a pretty big haul. Quality, talented pitching costs a ton of money. This gets two guys who come at a significant "discount". I'm absolutely sick and tired of watching prospect class after prospect class fizzle and everyone knows we won't be competing with the big boys when it comes to spending.
  11. Wish list: FAs 1: Madison Bumgarner 4yrs / 74M 2a: Jake Odorizzi 3/45 OR 2b: Cole Hamels 1/12.5 3: Josh Donaldson 3/70 4: Travis D'Arnaud 2/15 5. Will Smith 3/35 Trades Eddie Rosario & Brent Rooker for Nomar Mazara & Mike Minor Balazovic or Graterol, Nick Gordon & Jhoan Duran for Sonny Gray I have very little interest in Jon Gray, Sergio Romo, or Drew Pomeranz.
  12. Other than the one really, really good outing against the Indians, I haven't seen enough from Graterol to make me want to have him pitch in the playoffs. Yeah, he throws 101. But he hasn't located his "offspeed" stuff enough yet, and everybody's sitting fastball. Teams like the Yankees and Astros can all catch up to it if they know that's the only thing he can consistently throw for a strike. He is, however, a *huge* piece of the puzzle in 2020 and beyond. Because whether we start implementing the pitching by commitee model or not, we really need him with Odorizzi, Pineda and Gibson all becoming FAs. Ultimately I think he makes the postseason roster, because it's hard to leave someone out with his natural stuff.
  13. Obviously, no. Of course not. Rosario is and has been one of the best players on the team. And his bat is finding the power stroke at exactly the right time, when the other two starting outfielders are absent. He got thrown out at third, trying to stretch an easy double into a triple. I don't have any issue with that. I do have issues with him lazily running to ground balls into the left field corner. Whether he is or not, he comes off pretty cocky. But he's turned into a hell of a ballplayer. And I think something not mentioned much in this thread is the importance of him in the clubhouse. I believe that a lot of the success of this years team is a result of chemistry. Just watching these guys, they seem to feed off of each other. And every single time, Rosie is right in the middle of it. Every single time. Unfortunately the fact is, you put up with the antics when he's producing and especially when we are winning. And I don't think his negatives have really outweighed the positives. He's come up with a lot of big hits and big plays. He's developed into a legitimate middle of the order bat and has a right field arm in left. Playing left field and batting cleanup, Eddie Rosario.
  14. Who's the "starting 9"? With Schoop as one of your 2-man bench, I only assume Arraez starts at second. Which probably means MarGo is the RF and Cron at first. With both of them having very lingering injuries I think that's asking for playing the series effectively without a bench at all. Is Castro anything more than injury protection for Garver at this point? I think having Jake Cave provides more value (if only defensively) and protection of watching the Yankees abuse our makeshift outfield than a 13th pitcher, among the likes of Cody Stashak or Lewis Thorpe type guys. No offense to them, they've earned the innings they have pitched this year, but if it comes down to us relying on a 13th pitcher against the Astros or Yankees, I don't like our odds. We've gotten here on mashing the ball. The bullpen has come a long way since mid season, and the top 12 guys are either good enough to win in the post season, or they aren't. It comes down to added value in that 25th spot, and to me, surprising as it is, Jake Cave (or based on his last two games worth of at bats , Ryan LaMarre) provides more value to me than Thorpe.
  15. Quite literally my point. We have already done the waiting. Lewis and Kiriloff are not ready to contribute to this team. We could hold on to them and wait until they are ready, and be in the exact same position we are now in 4-5 years when half of the current 25 man roster is gone. It's only "laughable" if you believe the Twins will still have the same production and price from the aforementioned "graduated prospects" list you just mentioned. Which I would argue is the laughable point. It would sting. No doubt about it. But Thor is a top of the rotation, young and controllable arm. A move like this would potentially, possibly, limit our ability to compete in 2023-2026. Maybe. I'd argue otherwise given the depth of our system and the age of our emerging roster right now. But it significantly improves our chances of legitimately making a WS run in 2019-2021. I, for one, am sick of waiting.
  16. Syndergaard is about to turn 27. He's basically the Mets version of what we have in Jose Berrios, only with one more year of big league service time. IMO, they are very similar. Thor's "stuff" is probably better (arguably), but Berrios has been able to pitch more. A 1-2 of Berrios and Syndergaard headlining our 3-year "window" is pretty enticing. Save Kershaw-Ryu and Verlander-Cole (which likely won't even stay intact for the next 3 years), that's among the best 1-2 SP in the game and both relatively cheap, young, and controllable for 2+ years. To me, that's worth sending Royce Lewis for. If the Twins weren't very good and we were considering trading Berrios away, I would certainly be asking for other teams' top prospects. Our system is deep. Very deep. It's time to cash in on the last half decade's worth of 100ish losses. Especially on a guy with Syndergaards pedigree. The window is open now. Get them to throw in Edwin Diaz and I'm thinking Royce Lewis or Alex Kiriloff as a headliner. Probably not both, but if we can get a halfway decent prospect in addition, I'd at least entertain the idea of Lewis/Kiriloff/Smeltzer for Syndergaard/Diaz/Kilome. Call me crazy, but I'm sick of the perpetual idea that hoarding prospects means someday eventually we'll have a super team of emerging breakouts.
  17. Didn't Adrianza literally three games ago score on a one hopper hit directly to the second baseman playing in? He has perfectly adequate speed for a utility infielder. Comparing anyone to Buxton, Kepler and Rosario is silly, imo. I've always been of the opinion to make guys throw you out. If its gonna be close, send em. If he makes a perfect throw and the catcher is able to make a perfect tag, I can live with it. What I can't live with is holding our utility infielder at third on a clean single and then having the next guy up strike out. To me, it's pretty clear Baldelli favors aggressiveness. One result has been setting Major League offensive team records. Another byproduct is having a couple guys thrown out trying to take an extra base. I'm perfectly fine with the tradeoff.
  18. I'm really excited to see if a guy like Johnson can replicate the results from college with guys who've "fully developed". I'm sure some of his results (particularly an uptick in velocity) are because of college kids literally just growing. Most excited about two current players in particular: the resurgence of Addison Reed and the full development of Trevor May. Worst year of Reed's career last year and the best of May's. A bounce back from Reed and the full potential of May is a really good place to start for a back end of a really good bullpen. However, it doesn't matter if we hire the best, most innovative, and superior analytical coaches in baseball, the current roster just flat out isn't good enough to legitimately compete. I'm pretty tired of mediocre results and there's no good enough reason in my book not to open up the checkbook and fill out the roster now.
  19. This. Pretty easy call there. I'd much rather have Kinley struggle in April and send him back to Miami then and have the fallback of Busenitz versus Busenitz struggling in April and not having a ML ready power arm waiting to replace him.
  20. Depends on your definition of "Ace", right? Yu Darvish has shown over his career that his "stuff" is "Ace"-worthy. Whether he can hold up for an entire season and carry the staff leaves some question marks. I was a little disappointed they didn't land him, but understand why. I'm of the belief you need talented depth to win (as are most), whether that means having one "Ace" I don't really know, or particularly care. Overall, I think the Twins added quite a bit of depth to this team over the winter, and at some point you've gotta hope (and plan) that some of your own guys can perform better. Maybe Berrios becomes our version of Dallas Keuchel, Santana turns in another quality year, Odorizzi returns to his best, and Gibby finally has the year we've been hoping for coming off a very solid second half last year (fingers crossed). Combine that with a significantly improved bullpen and one of the best offenses I've ever seen the Twins field, there's quite a bit of reason to be optimistic. Maybe none of those things happen and we lose 90 games, but all in all I think the FO made decisions I can get behind, which is pretty refreshing.
  21. Independent of any other moves, this isn't a terrible signing. Its a (cheap) flier on a guy who could benefit from a change of scenery, Target Field, and the Twins OF. In the context of the current state of the rotation and the lack of any other help for the 2018 staff, its incredibly disappointing.
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