Brock Beauchamp

I believe the Twins are eager to see some of their better prospects play, particularly now that they've fallen out of contention. Notice that I said that as opinion, not fact. No need to get snippy about it. As for 40 man space, teams often switch out position-for-position on 40 man roster moves. Should they care about such a thing? I don't know, it just seems to be how they operate at times. Either way, I think the Twins will hold back adding Meyer to the 40 man when they know that another pitcher will be removed from the 40 man in a couple of weeks. I, for one, will be very disappointed if Meyer doesn't take Correia's spot on the 25 man (or even May if he's ready, whatever, either one is fine).

I also would have promoted May before Meyer but I think it's likely we see both this season (barring injury). With Correia leaving in the next three weeks and Nolasco being a question mark, the Twins are going to have open 25- and 40-man roster space. There's absolutely no reason not to give two of those 25-man slots to May and Meyer.

While it'd be nice to see, I think what's more likely is that the Twins hold off on promoting Meyer until they can move Correia and thereby clear up 40 man roster space. It's really unfortunate that May got hurt. I think the Twins are eager to promote one of their better prospects but it's hard to do right now when you know 40 man space is going to open up soon.

I mentioned multiple times earlier that he was awful every other start, not every start... so it wasn't really an "awful stretch", just inconsistent. Either way, his early June was enough to give anyone pause, particularly when talking about a guy on an innings limit with shoulder concerns. It would have been foolish to promote him to MLB when the back of your mind is telling you "I hope he's not having shoulder issues again". With that said and done, I think it's time we see Meyer in Minnesota. Let him stay here after the Futures Game, I say.

Possible, yes... but unlikely. He's fresh out of high school so the earliest I think we see him at CR is next spring (and that's okay).

May didn't line up with the Twins' rotation in mid-June and then he got injured. I think May is in Minnesota pitching every fifth day right now if not for the injury. After all, the Twins sent Pino back down immediately after his second start. That's a pretty good indication they had other plans. Pino pitched on 6/19. May was hurt on 6/21 but it initially seemed minor and a quick bounce-back was expected. Pino was demoted on 6/26 after his second start. May was put on the DL on 6/27. Pino was recalled a few days afterward. I think that series of events pretty clearly indicates that the Twins were planning on calling up May but his injury got in the way. Meyer was pretty bad. There was talk that he was injured. He went less than four innings in multiple starts. That's not the guy you call up to make his MLB debut. It's hard to fault the Twins for reconsidering their time tables when a guy is awful every other start.

But there's a difference between Meyer's "inconsistency" versus "holy crap, he's pretty bad right now". Over the course of ten days, he had two starts where he went under four innings and gave up at least three runs.

Yep. It's up to the player to say something. If a player is injured and doesn't say something about it, he should get his ass chewed by the manager. On the other hand, if a player is so block-headed that he refuses to say he's injured, it's the organization's role to start probing into why that established player is performing so poorly. But overall, teams need to start treating injury reports positively and the hiding of injuries negatively. Do the Twins do that? I don't know - honestly, I doubt it - but in all fairness, I think that's true of the vast majority of sports organizations.

I think Meyer was on the cusp of being promoted but then he scuffled every other start in June. He'd post a good or decent start and then he'd follow it up with a short, bad start. He has now posted three consecutive good starts so I think he's back to the point where the Twins should consider promoting him.

What a great article. I've long thought that this was a problem in sports, not just the Twins. Should Michael Jordan have played through injury when he's 80% healthy? Maybe, because 80% of Michael Jordan is a whole lot better than whoever would replace him and the Bulls wouldn't win without Jordan on the court. On the other hand, how long does playing through an injury extend that injury? Is it worth playing Michael Jordan at 80% for an entire season when you could sit him for ten days and get a 100% Michael Jordan for the remainder of the season? Now apply that thinking to decent players like Ricky Nolasco. An 80% Ricky Nolasco is not a good pitcher because a 100% Ricky Nolasco is only a decent pitcher. The moment a guy like that has an issue, you sit him because not only is he going to be ineffective, he's probably going to be ineffective for a long time because he never properly heals from his injury. It's the responsibility of the player to voice these concerns and it's the responsibility of the organization to respond accordingly. So, essentially, we've been dealing with an 80% Ricky Nolasco for half a season and he's been absolutely terrible. I don't know if this is Gardy's fault or Nolasco's fault and it doesn't matter, really. Both athletes and organizations need to move on from this ridiculous "rub some dirt on it and walk it off" attitude and do what's best for the team and most of the time that involves benching a player who isn't at 100% because he's not only hurting you in the short-term, he's going to hurt you in the long-term as it's going to be harder for him to get healthy and play the rest of the season at 100%.

It's not something we like to do on a regular basis. Lately, we've had a multitude of threads go downhill because of insertion of pet topics into unrelated threads. A warning at the top of the thread is basically saying "Don't derail this thread, we're watching". It sucks. We know that. We don't like doing it.

There's absolutely no reason to berate the original poster for asking a question. If you have an answer to that question, feel free to post it without the snark.

Pelfrey, definitely. Correia and Willingham? Not so much. Both were needed to fill out some pretty awful rosters... I still don't think the Correia signing was a bad one, the problem is that it was their "best" pitching acquisition that offseason. I don't mind older placeholders on a roster that's going to lose... After all, you have to field somebody at all the positions. My only problem is when those old placeholders start blocking legitimate talent... Which we haven't seen much, honestly. A few weeks here, a few weeks there... Not enough for me to really get irritated. Definitely no 2006 Jason Bartlett situations, that's for sure.

To me, it doesn't matter if the Twins are rolling out young players for the sake of young players. On a losing team, I'd prefer to see young players because if a team is going to lose, may as well do it with some upside, as marginal as that upside may be. But the fact is this: the Minnesota Twins will not be a contender until Buxton, Sano, Meyer, May, and Rosario are in MLB. And none of those guys are ready. I thought May was ready and it looked like he'd get the call but he went down with an injury. Meyer scuffled for a couple of weeks, which surely sent his time table back a bit. Hopefully we'll see both of them in Minnesota soon. So ultimately, does it really matter if Correia is pitching when the team feels Meyer isn't yet ready? I'd argue that it really doesn't.... What matters is whether the team is willing to discard Correia the moment they feel Meyer is ready.

It's not a straw man when you jump into a conversation I was having with someone else who was complaining about timelines. I can't straw man your argument if the initial comment wasn't directed toward you.

I'd like to reiterate that this is a very good time to remember that so if any of you want to pile on the Twins medical staff, you better be doing so in the past tense.

Both teams are bad. Both teams have a top three farm system. Both Epstein and Ryan took the job at roughly the same time. Beyond that, it's picking nits. If the Cubs are better much quicker than the Twins, then you have an argument to hang your hat on. Until that happens, the two teams are roughly neck-and-neck. My point is that people expect everything to change overnight and the rebuild process to start instantaneously. That doesn't happen. It doesn't happen with Ryan's teams, it doesn't happen with Beane's teams, it doesn't happen with Epstein's teams. Teams cannot be built from the ground up in two seasons. It just doesn't happen. Like many others, I'd like to see a few younger players on the Twins right now but I can't fault Ryan for injuries to the likes of Sano or Buxton or the recent falterings of Meyer. This roster would look vastly different if Sano was manning third and Meyer was taking the hill alongside Gibson and Hughes every fifth day.

I consider him all sorts of terrible. He is a negative fWAR player both offensively and defensively. His legs are a plus, everything else is a minus. He has no power, he has no discipline, he has no arm, metrics don't even like his range much anymore. There was never much to like about Ben Revere and he's only getting worse. The guy has a 3.1 BB% this season. Ugh.

An average player is roughly a 1.5-2 WAR player. Revere is well below average and the type of player that usually ages terribly.

I agree. My problem is that lately, it seems we've had more misses than hits... And even if they're equal, that's still not a good enough percentage. Gibson and Hughes are pluses but have to be offset by Nolasco and possibly Worley, performance pending. I'm not an Anderson hater, I simply think he's not as effective as he should be, or even as effective as he was in the past. All of this is grey area stuff. There is no clear answer. For me, Worley is just the tipping point where I say "enough is enough, time to move on".

Eh, Garza was pretty good in his last season with the Twins, short as it was. I don't fault Anderson for anything that happened with Garza.

Revere has been all sorts of terrible for the Phillies.

The Twins don't have a top three farm system solely because they had high picks. Guys like Berrios and Thorpe are becoming jewels of the system and they were picked up later in the draft or for a pittance in the international pool. Sure, Buxton and Stewart are great but they won't get you the best farm system in baseball. It requires smart pickups further down the draft board and smart international signings to do that.

This is how I feel as well. While I think Ryan has made some pretty big mistakes with the MLB club, he has done a bang-up job with drafting and trading (outside of Worley but even then, they still got May). I think Terry Ryan is a good GM. I'm not convinced Antony will be a good GM, though I'm not ruling it out either.

Fair enough. Good catch that the Twins also tried tweaking his mechanics.