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  1. I know, that's why I'm disappointed... But there are still relievers available and FA is not the only method to acquire a player. It's my personal preferred method but it's not the only way to get it done.
  2. Chris Parmelee and Liam Hendricks disagree that AAA success has a good chance of immediately translating to MLB success. Again, Bethancourt is an interesting reclamation project... But he's not the type of guy you rely on for anything, particularly when your starting catcher is named Kurt Suzuki. That's inviting disaster.
  3. *Looks at the calendar* Yep, still not even mid-December. Ryan has made two significant moves and people are complaining he's not "trying to win" because he didn't make more moves at the winter meetings. I'm as disappointed as anyone about not picking up guys at the meetings but, again, it's not even mid-December yet. There is over a month of solid activity left in this offseason. What is happening right now reminds me of people complaining about ST rosters on March 10th. "Ryan moves too early!" *December 11th rolls around* "The offseason is OVER!"
  4. As would I. Obviously, we all want upside guys over mediocrity. Maybe the Twins dangled Jones because they thought no one would take him. Or maybe the Twins dangled Jones because they believe he has no chance of becoming a successful MLB player. They've had multiple seasons to watch this guy pitch. This is a problem with the word "upside". We're scouting "upside" from a stat line but it's possible Jones has other problems that will prevent him from ever reaching that "upside" and the Twins know it. After all, they've scouted the guy more than anyone else on the planet. Or maybe the Twins just made a mistake and did something stupid, letting go of a guy who could be good. But let's not assume there's big upside just because the guy has put a pretty number in the K/9 column. Jones is intriguing, yes... But he's also the #25 prospect in a system that is no longer awesome, nor is it particularly deep. The people who watch this guy pitch don't seem particularly enthralled by him.
  5. Not fill it, just find one or two guys. That's not terribly difficult. If the Twins were shopping for 3-5 guys, yeah... That's damned near impossible. But given the plethora of relievers available at any moment and your need of just one or two of them (both don't even have to be great), that's not a particularly tall order to fill. The Twins have two guys locked into the back of the pen - Jepsen and Perkins. May might end up there. I don't like it but it might happen. That's three above average relievers. All you need at that point is one more decent righty and a decent lefty, though a shutdown lefty who can be a one-inning guy would be preferred, obviously.
  6. If you're trying to patch a problem on the MLB roster, there comes a time where "rehabilitation project" is not a phrase you're interested in pursuing. Listen, I'm not some huge fan of JR Murphy. I don't think his ceiling is very high... But we said similar things about Plouffe and Dozier in the past. What Murphy does bring to the table is stability and a short track record of success. Will it turn out to be a good move for the Twins? Well, I'm not sold on the move so I'm skeptical but I'm not going to blast the trade much, either. In a talent-for-talent swap, it was a pretty fair deal. Now the rest will be played out on the baseball diamond and we'll find out whether the Twins' or Yankees' scouts were smarter. But Bethancourt isn't even an option. This is 2016 and the Twins are trying to win. In 2013 or 2014, yeah, you go after a Bethancourt but you don't rely on that guy to fill your 25 man roster when your starting catcher is Kurt-friggin-Suzuki.
  7. Bethancourt hit AA as a 20 year old. Murphy hit AA as a 21 year old. You're talking up Bethancourt's .840 AAA OPS while downplaying Murphy's .734 MLB OPS. In essence, you're blaming Murphy for not getting demoted. As a 21 year old, Bethancourt repeated AA. Murphy played part of the season in AA. For all intents and purposes, they put up identical numbers (Bethancourt had a slight advantage in OPS, well within any kind of margin of error). You're acting like Bethancourt is some raw 20 year old and Murphy is 30 years old. Murphy is 25, Bethancourt 24.
  8. I'm still not entirely sold on the Hicks/Murphy trade and it surprised me how quickly Ryan moved this offseason but I can't fault the guy for locking down the most problematic position for the Twins as quickly as possible. He's getting hammered for moving too quickly at catcher - a notoriously difficult position to fill - but is also getting hammered for not moving quickly enough at reliever - the easiest position to fill. I'd feel a lot more comfortable if Ryan had already shored up the bullpen. I'd also feel a lot more comfortable if people were more consistent with their arguments.
  9. Bethancourt MiLB OPS: .694 Murphy MiLB OPS: .733 John HIcks MILB OPS: .734 Bethancourt MLB OPS: .527 Murphy MLB OPS: .685 I'm not saying Murphy will have a better career than Bethancourt but your schtick of railing on every single decision Ryan makes is getting old, Dave. There's a reason Bethancourt was traded for a song. He's a former decent (not great, just decent) prospect who has fallen on hard times. He's still relatively young (but so is Murphy) so there's hope he turns it around but he's a project, not an MLB player you rely on going into the season.
  10. Inversely, you could say SD moved too late, possibly in the same fashion Ryan may have moved too late with Plouffe. Play cute games, talk about how much you love a player, and say you're not going to trade him... Well, sometimes, you get burned as other teams take your word for it and move on to other targets.
  11. You continue to use the word "upside" in reference to Jones. I don't think he's much of an upside guy. Does he have more upside than Dean? Yeah, probably... But Zach was likely two years from MLB before the Rule 5 draft. That's two years you have to give this guy a roster spot in hopes he figures it out. A guy you demoted down to A+ ball last season as a 24 year old. I still can't figure out why you care about this so much, Dave. Would I have handled things differently were it my decision? Yeah, probably... But this is definitely one of those "meh, whatever, not all decisions are worth scrutinizing" moments. There's absolutely no reason to get worked up about losing a 24 year old pitcher who was demoted to A+ ball and walks five flippin' guys per nine innings. And for the love of god, stop bringing up David Ortiz in comparison to any player in MiLB. In Minnesota, he had 1700 plate appearances and a 108 OPS+. He slugged .461.
  12. My quote was "Ultimately, I don't think it matters one bit." And I don't. You can believe otherwise. Have at it. No matter whether the Twins kept Zach Jones, Pat Dean, or a cardboard cutout of Willie Nelson on their 40 man roster as of December 11, 2015, I suspect all three would be off the 40 man by mid 2016. And, in that case, none of this matters one bit.
  13. 1. Clemente and Santana were taken at very young ages. Hamilton was a former star prospect with a drug problem. 2. None of those people were relief pitchers.
  14. The Twins were within reach of a postseason berth with three games remaining last season. They should absolutely be in "win now" mode. "Win now" doesn't mean you have to start trading prospects and mortgaging the future. It can also mean you're prioritizing players you believe will help soon over players you see contributing in the somewhat distant future, if at all.
  15. No arguments about last year... But Gilmartin and Jones are not even in the same conversation. Gilmartin had success in the upper minors, a guy who had the chance to thrive under the right circumstances. Jones, on the other hand, is still a long way from MLB. The Twins, rightly so, are in a "win now" mode. The casualties of such a strategy are that you'll occasionally lose a guy like Zach Jones because keeping a flawed prospect on the 40 man for over a season without hope of his contributing to the MLB squad is a tough pill to swallow. No matter whether the Twins keep Dean or Jones, I suspect neither has a 40 man spot by July of 2016.
  16. Yeah, mentioned Dean later in the thread, forgot about him initially. I would have kept Jones before Dean and wouldn't have thought too hard about it... But that's not a positive for Jones as much as it's a negative for Dean. Ultimately, I don't think it matters one bit.
  17. I don't agree with all the moves the Twins made to the 40 man but it's a bit much to suggest they have no idea how to manage a 40 man roster. My viewpoint is that the Twins are focusing on 2016, as they should. Guys like Dean - who I wouldn't have kept were it my decision - are likely viewed as three month placeholders, insurance policies in case something goes terribly wrong in April or May of next season. After that point, the org shouldn't hesitate to replace them with the real prospects in the system who might be able to help: Burdi, Berrios, etc. Again, it's likely we reach the same point in June of 2016 no matter who is kept in December of 2015. Or hell, maybe the Twins sign a reliever next week and Dean is off the 40 man.
  18. I'll agree that I don't understand the desire to protect Dean.
  19. Yeah, that's a point I thought of but never touched on... There's a decent chance the Twins get Jones back at some point in 2016.
  20. Come on, Dave. Hicks has all of 34 MLB PAs. He has started only ten games in MLB. I'm not saying the guy is good but there's no way you have much more information than a stat line or public scouting reports on the guy. I will never understand the teeth-gnashing that surrounds the 38-40 slots on a 40 man roster. Maybe the Twins are wrong and will look foolish 2-3 years down the road. Maybe they won't. Time will tell.
  21. You're only kicking the can down the road, Dave. At some point in the 2016 season, the Twins will need a third catcher. Maybe (likely) someone gets injured. Or maybe they're just banged up over a doubleheader weekend. It will happen. Yeah, you can go pick that guy up... Maybe. It's always easy to say those things in the abstract but sometimes, they're hard to pull off in the moment, especially if 29 other teams take the same approach to their third catcher situation. And whomever you pick up will likely be worse than Hicks. He has marginal upside, posting a .754 OPS between AA/AAA in 2014 as a 24 year old. This is the sort of situation where I just don't care much about the 40 man. The Twins have scouted these guys and have more information than either you or me. Maybe they're wrong. Maybe they're not. Remember, remember, the release of Joe Benson. Half this board lost its ****ing mind when Benson was waived. Maybe, just maybe, the Twins aren't entirely incompetent and see a lot more than a stat line in these players.
  22. Fien is the only guy you can make an argument to replace with Jones. I don't entirely disagree that Jones is a better option than Fien - I'm not a fan of the Twins retaining Fien, really - but the Twins need a third catcher and utility guys. One of my problems with people who complain about the 40 man roster is the "replace this third-string catcher with a MiLB relief pitcher" comments. That's not how a 40 man roster works. Every team needs insurance policies and a 40 man roster can't contain 20 relievers. That would be catastrophic over the course of a season and those guys you so badly wanted to keep would be exposed to waivers as the team realized "oh ****, maybe we do need that third catcher" and are forced to make moves on the fly. It only delays the process and we ultimately end up at the same point, just a few months later.
  23. Losing Jones stings a bit but the org must feel he's too far from the majors to protect on the 40 man. It's the only reason that makes sense. They have to believe they'd go through this same situation next offseason as well.
  24. Very true. I'm not saying the rules shouldn't be changed - I think they should - but claiming this wasn't a baseball decision is silly. Who here doesn't think a full season of 29 year old Bryant will be worth more wins than two weeks of 23 year old Bryant? That looks like a baseball decision to me.
  25. It is absolutely baseball-related. The Cubs swapped two weeks of a 23 year old Kris Bryant for a full season of a 29 year old Kris Bryant. You can complain about the rules but that's a baseball decision, a long-term smart baseball decision at that.
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