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    If He's Fired, Rocco Baldelli Will Only Be Minnesota Twins' “Fall Guy”


    Matthew Lenz

    The seventh-year manager is assuredly on the hot seat amid a 7-15 start to the season. A loud sector of the fan base has wanted him gone for much of his tenure. While it seems more likely than not at this point, the skipper would only be the fall guy for a total system failure.

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    Before we begin Rocco Baldelli’s defense portion of this trial, let's play the side of the prosecution. Like all managers—nay, people—Baldelli is not perfect. Does he lean too much into matchups at times, in lieu of letting his best batters hit? Yep. Is he guilty of not giving his starting pitchers a longer leash? Sometimes. Has he been a player’s manager, almost to a fault? Has his message fallen on deaf ears within the clubhouse? You could make those arguments.

    A friend of mine said this a few years back, and I think it rings true, to a certain extent: Baldelli doesn't seem overly compelled to win any single game; he's always managing with the bigger picture in mind. Is that a problem? Not glaringly so, but maybe a little bit. However, will any of this change if he's relieved of his duties and someone else (whether it be internally or externally) takes over? I don't think so. The Twins' skipper (and the front office, to an extent) has been the victim of cheap ownership and a fan base that has misguided much of their anger in his direction.

    Baldelli took over as manager for an organization that had played in just one postseason game in eight seasons. You won't hear the people who want him fired give him credit for leading a record-breaking “Bomba Squad” or winning over 100 games in his first season. You won't hear those same people give him credit for managing through a COVID-shortened season that saw the Twins win their second consecutive American League Central title. After all, it's the players who make the plays and win the games, right?

    Why, then, are they so quick to point the finger toward the dugout when the players are the ones underachieving? In addition to being strapped for cash, Baldelli has had to manage through continuous injuries and underperformance from the highest-paid players on the team. Byron Buxton’s and Carlos Correa’s injuries and performance have been a hot topic each year. This year, the two have combined for a .639 OPS, with four home runs and a 36:6 strikeout-to-walk ratio across 152 plate appearances. While both players have experienced success under Baldelli, it only comes in spurts and has been overshadowed by injuries. Is that his fault? Even their highest-paid pitcher, Pablo López, left the team wanting more in an up-and-down 2024 season. Down his best players (or getting underwhelming production from them), Baldelli has often been forced to rely on unproven talent or veterans looking for another chance.

    Offensively, I've sorted a list of all players who have gotten more than 150 plate appearances in a season ascending by fWAR. The list includes guys like Jose Miranda (-0.7 fWAR in 2023), Jake Cave (-0.6 in 2021), Willians Astudillo (-0.5 in 2021), and seven others who played often, despite being worse than replacement-level. In many of those cases, Baldelli didn't have a choice but to rely on guys who weren't producing. Instead of prioritizing depth behind their oft-injured stars, the Twins have given Baldelli the likes of Gilberto Celestino (0.4 in 2022) and Austin Martin (-0.2 in 2024) to cover for Buxton, and a bevy of players who don't call shortstop home to cover for Correa.

    Celestino has not received a major-league at-bat since he left the Twins organization. That doesn't even cover failed signings like Andrelton Simmons (somehow accrued 0.9 fWAR in 2021) and Joey Gallo (again, somehow 0.8 fWAR in 2023), who both got limited opportunities following their departures and found themselves out of baseball just a season after getting significant playing time with the Twins. While the front office can point their fingers at the Pohlads, they haven't maximized their return on the limited funds they've been allotted. This is especially true when we shift to pitchers.

    Through Baldelli’s fourth season (2022), he was forced to start the group above 245 times (38% of games). Moreover, there are plenty of names who received multiple starts that would make for good answers on an Immaculate Grid board. While the idea that he never lets his starters go is somewhat specious (12th in SP innings since 2019), would you want to push those guys to give you more innings than they were already asked to? Fortunately for Baldelli, he's been the beneficiary of the Twins' phenomenal pitching development recently, which wasn't as highly thought of in the first half of his tenure with the team. Then we shift to the bullpen, and the many failed signings and trades throughout the Baldelli era. The worst names on that list include Sam Dyson, Hansel Robles, Alex Colomé, Joe Smith, Michael Fulmer, and Jorge López. Not a single one of those players have been consistently productive since joining other organizations, and more than one of them threw their last professional pitch with the Twins. We're going to blame Baldelli for that? Or more recently, is it on Baldelli that Griffin Jax has an 11.25 ERA right now?

    To be fair to the front office, they have hit on some moves, as well. Acquiring Joe Ryan, Sonny Gray, and López for the top of the rotation have been wins. Nelson Cruz, Gio Urshela, Carlos Correa, Michael A. Taylor and Carlos Santana (maybe a couple others) have yielded positive returns. That said, they've had far more whiffs and foul tips than hits while Baldelli has been at the helm. Generally speaking, I don't think a manager has a determinative impact on player performance, one way or another. I didn't give Baldelli credit for 2019, and I'm not going to blame him for the Twins' last 60 games.

    Don't get me wrong, Baldelli has his warts, and, as they say, “you can't fire the players”. However, if (seems more like "when") he gets fired, he’ll just be the “fall guy”. Until the Twins get new ownership, front office personnel will continue to be hamstrung—and the manager, whether it be Baldelli or someone else, will continue to be left with mediocre or worse teams. Simply put, Rocco Baldelli is not the reason for the Twins' total system failure. He's never been the total system.

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    On 4/21/2025 at 8:53 PM, bean5302 said:

    Not really. Prime Maeda, Berrios, Pineda, Hill, pre-finger Dobnak.

    Org Top 10 SP prospects. Jordan Balazovic (#85 overall), Jhoan Duran, Blayne Enlow, Lewis Thorpe

    Joking right?  Irony??  Berrios n Duran are still around....

    41 minutes ago, PatG said:

    Joking right?  Irony??  Berrios n Duran are still around....

    You made it clear you believe our current pitching rotation is much better than the one from 2020, and you were seeking consensus. I do not agree and I see no reason you'd be so bold about your position as to ask me if I was joking.

    What would I choose?
    2020 Maeda > 2025 Lopez
    2020 Berrios > 2025 Ryan
    2020 Pineda < 2025 Ober
    2020 Hill = 2025 Paddack
    2020 Dobnak > 2025 SWR

    I'd give the advantage to our 2020 rotation, but I wouldn't fight over the position the rotations were similar, and depending on how bullish fans are about our depth and how much it will be needed, I could even accept somebody thinking the 2025 rotation is a little better. To declare we are so much better in 2025 that anybody who disagrees with you must be joking is a heck of a statement. Berrios and Duran are not in the Twins' rotation.

    15 hours ago, bean5302 said:

    You made it clear you believe our current pitching rotation is much better than the one from 2020, and you were seeking consensus. I do not agree and I see no reason you'd be so bold about your position as to ask me if I was joking.

    What would I choose?
    2020 Maeda > 2025 Lopez
    2020 Berrios > 2025 Ryan
    2020 Pineda < 2025 Ober
    2020 Hill = 2025 Paddack
    2020 Dobnak > 2025 SWR

    I'd give the advantage to our 2020 rotation, but I wouldn't fight over the position the rotations were similar, and depending on how bullish fans are about our depth and how much it will be needed, I could even accept somebody thinking the 2025 rotation is a little better. To declare we are so much better in 2025 that anybody who disagrees with you must be joking is a heck of a statement. Berrios and Duran are not in the Twins' rotation.

    This is a decent argument,

    Quibble:   I would take Lopez over Maeda (younger, stronger; Maeda was a good pitcher), Berrios and Ryan IMO seem eerily similar (I like both), If Pineda could have stayed healthy....., I didn't think much of Hill (latest "Hope" pitcher), I think Paddack much better (if healthy), SWR over Dobnak

    Real strengths of today's Twins pitching staff: the bullpen is excellent, the young pitching depth is the best I've seen for this franchise (far and away; many examples). I think this pitching "pipeline" is due to Falvey (he did it in Cleveland)

     

    The better argument would be the 2025 staff versus the 2019 staff (as 2020 was the COVID year). 

    2019 versus 2025, I think the starting staffs are pretty much equal (Odorrizi, Gibson....).  I again say the 2025 is better due to the same reason: bullpen and young, MLB-ready starting pitching (at AAA level).

     

    BTW, I don't try for consensus, TD has hammered me on my occasional TD foray's...I'm an age-advanced guy (still remember when Twins did spring training in Orlando; Tangerine Bowl expanded to Orange Bowl thus the move to Fort Meyers) .  I still like RBI as a relevant stat.....

    3 hours ago, PatG said:

    ...Real strengths of today's Twins pitching staff: the bullpen is excellent, the young pitching depth is the best I've seen for this franchise (far and away; many examples). I think this pitching "pipeline" is due to Falvey (he did it in Cleveland)...

    2019 Rotation
    Berrios 4.4 fWAR, 3.68 ERA > Lopez
    Odorizzi 4.3 fWAR, 3.51 ERA > Ryan
    Pineda 2.6 fWAR, 4.01 ERA = Ober
    Gibson 2.5 fWAR, 4.89 ERA = Paddack
    Perez 1.8 fWAR, 4.99 ERA < SWR
    The top of the rotation in 2019 was better than what we have today.
    2019 Bullpen
    Rogers 2.1 fWAR, 2.61 ERA
    Duffey 1.2 fWAR, 2.50 ERA
    May 0.9 fWAR, 2.94 ERA
    Beyond the big 3, Romo, Littell, and Stashak were all excellent.
    Our bullpen was better in 2019 as well.

    As for the prospect list, I expect Festa and Matthews to be #4-5 starters and for none of the other prospects at AAA to be more than bullpen or spot start arms. In AA, Connor Prielipp is one of 2 upper rotation potential arms we've got in the entire system, and I don't give him more than a 25% chance of staying healthy enough to start. Charlee Soto in A+ is the other, but he's way too far away to bank on him.

    20/20 Hindsight shows us the Twins top pitching prospects didn't turn out, but they had just graduated Jose Berrios who is without a doubt the best starting pitcher the Twins have developed (not under Falvey) since Santana/Liriano (or Radke, depending on how you feel about when the guys enter our system). Graterol, Duran, Thorpe, Enlow, Gonsalves weren't as good as our current group, but I feel strongly the TD hype machine has been working overtime on our sure-fire pitching prospects lately. Just like they did with guys like Jordan Balazovic. 




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