I engage in some heated discussions here, but that stuff completely confined to this forum. It doesn't bleed into my world because it can't. Much of me is like Craig whether anyone can believe it. I constantly question myself on the topic of race and have for great long while. Things have shifted over the last ten years or so, however. Unfortunately racism has become a hollow charge in a lot of cases and that's only because people are finding racism in EVERYTHING. The insinuation fronted up by AOC that ICE workers at the border are carying some kind of racist agenda is utterly absurd to me. For starters, a great many of those workers are of Hispanic descent for starters. The other thing is they cannot accomodate the mass of humanity at the border. How is it their fault? The broad charges of racial insensitivity bothers me. Worse still, when charges are made by people of color congress it becomes an impossible discussion and it's a damn shame. Another thing that bothers me is that a person like Craig (who has consciously and thoughtfully) tried his entire adult life to not do anything perceived as even remotely racist can be labeled as such and forced into a defensive posture by any accuser. His response is limited to "what can I do better?" My answer for Craig there would be "nothing" He already is earnestly trying so what more is he supposed to do if it's assumed white people have no idea what racism is? The assumption that whites aren't even aware of their own racism asserts hope is futile. Is there a point where a guy like Craig ever will see the evils that lurk inside of him or does being white doom you to ignorance on the topic of race? I don't believe that and when I see accusations of "racism" thrown around in a cavalier manner I'm going to question it. I understand that stance is appalling to some people reading this and it is why we need to have a conversation. I appreciate Craig's input and I totally feel what he's saying. I just don't think he needs to go into default mode since he's already doing all he can. If anyone here thinks he's capable of racism then I need to hear how that notion was acquired. I do want to have a conversation, but then I haven't set the terms on how it's going to happen here. I appreciate the mods for not silencing me even if most can't agree with me a lot of the time in this forum.